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[JoeMerchant]

That's not exactly the most reliable source because he wasn't involved at the endgame.

I thought you said you weren't involved in negotiations? Your either an insider, or you are relying on what other people told you.....Which is it?

 

[sweptback]

I thought you said you weren't involved in negotiations? Your either an insider, or you are relying on what other people told you.....Which is it?

Doesn't change the validity of my point...

 

[JoeMerchant]

Doesn't change the validity of my point...

By your own words, you weren't there....Unless you are lying....

 

[sweptback]

By your own words, you weren't there....Unless you are lying....

All I'm saying is that your "source" wasn't there either.

 

[Tarzan]

You are incorrect, check your facts.

Well Sir,
Unless you were there as well, you may wish to retract your accusations. I've talked with enough guys who were inside the process to know there were some moves that could have been done without. Simply because you heard from someone and I heard from someone does not give give you free rein to sanctimoniously accuse me of having my facts wrong. Possibly it is you that either has the facts wrong or is actively covering tails at the MEC. I'd be interested to see what your view is what transpired. Regardless of what you say, from the guys I've spoken with, I strongly believe national has a huge amount of influence at the local level when it came to contract negotiations and our guys sucked it right up in the name of national jobs. Not exactly the, "We are ALPA" that the cheerleaders like to throw out there when faced when disagreement from within the ranks.

I am particularly looking forward to the books being cracked open over the last couple of years. Kudos to FR on that motion. I have a feeling some folks are going to be on the line after that goes down.

 

[sweptback]

There were enough things that were up in the air until the last session. Scope, 50-seat pay, holding company letter, duty rigs/min day...

 

[JoeMerchant]

There were enough things that were up in the air until the last session. Scope, 50-seat pay, holding company letter, duty rigs/min day...

That's not the point...The point is that ALPA national was pushing for more than we got, and some on the CNC and MEC went along with National. Because of this, negotiations went on longer than they should have. I've now been informed of the divide that existed on the CNC, and it doesn't surprise me. It's also pretty obvious now that the "no pilot left behind group" seems to be falling apart....

 

[Tarzan]

There were enough things that were up in the air until the last session. Scope, 50-seat pay, holding company letter, duty rigs/min day...

I thought duty rigs had been decided long before just as the 50 seat pay. I understand it was bigger issue with the 70 seat pay.

 

[JoeMerchant]

There were the "big 4" that ALPA was holding out for up till the end:

1. Big 700 pay increase.
2. Bfund retirement plan.
3. Status quo on instructor section.
4. 100% retro pay.

In the end, ALPA caved on all 4 issues, despite the claim that "no pilot will be left behind"...Very easy to make promises...Not so easy to follow thru....