Please help a fellow union brother not SCAB.

[G4dude]

I agree with that. I'm not the believer in "social enforcement" that I used to be.

Bless you my child.

 

[Diesel]

I agree with that. I'm not the believer in "social enforcement" that I used to be.

Glad you appreciate fellow pilots putting their needs before the rest of the pilot group.

 

[G4dude]

Glad you appreciate fellow pilots putting their needs before the rest of the pilot group.

In your opinion. We don't want to coerce anybody just because we think it would be right to do so. Incredible that you don't even understand what we are saying, much less agree.

 

[Diesel]

In your opinion. We don't want to coerce anybody just because we think it would be right to do so. Incredible that you don't even understand what we are saying, much less agree.

Oh I understand when someone has no spine to stand with their fellow pilots and would rather sell them out and pretend to do it under the guise of being intimidated.

Amazing how those that hate the union still rely on them for representation.

If you're going to make the leap at least be a man about it. Maybe your wife will even allow you to.

 

[Flopgut]

Glad you appreciate fellow pilots putting their needs before the rest of the pilot group.

Whether or not somebody acts hard (or doesn't) has nothing to do with whether or not they'll actually strike. You never know who will or who won't when the time comes. Which btw, you guys are no where near being released. So maybe you ought to put a pin in this for now?

 

[G4dude]

Oh I understand when someone has no spine to stand with their fellow pilots and would rather sell them out and pretend to do it under the guise of being intimidated.

Amazing how those that hate the union still rely on them for representation.

If you're going to make the leap at least be a man about it. Maybe your wife will even allow you to.

My wife would probably organize a baseball bat wielding mob to attack the strikers. I am the most PRO union member of my entire extended family! BTW, am I reading these posts right, the earliest date for a strike would be somewhere around 2 years from now?

 

[Diesel]

My wife would probably organize a baseball bat wielding mob to attack the strikers. I am the most PRO union member of my entire extended family! BTW, am I reading these posts right, the earliest date for a strike would be somewhere around 2 years from now?

Your wife sounds like a thug.

Ironic.

 

[G4dude]

Your wife sounds like a thug.

Ironic.

Wanting to beat up thugs is not equivalent to being a thug.

 

[PCL_128]

Bash the coercion all you want, but I'm betting that it's exactly that that has caused you to decide that you'd rather quit. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

 

[Roomwithaview]

United we stand-Divided we fall.

That's the easiest way I can describe it to you.

One pilot crossing the line gives management a hard on and let's them know that there are chinks in the armor. Especially if you're two years from a strike and you're already letting them know you'll scab.

 

[Flopgut]

Bash the coercion all you want, but I'm betting that it's exactly that that has caused you to decide that you'd rather quit. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

Quitting and moving on is what some of the most respectable former CAL pilots did during the strike.

There's a poster on here who talks of moving on from an undesirable situation...

 

[Flopgut]

United we stand-Divided we fall.

That's the easiest way I can describe it to you.

One pilot crossing the line gives management a hard on and let's them know that there are chinks in the armor. Especially if you're two years from a strike and you're already letting them know you'll scab.

That this is the tone of the conversation over there, means Mgt has them by the short and curlies, and the union is not managing this well. Build a case, then take a strike vote.

 

[G4dude]

Bash the coercion all you want, but I'm betting that it's exactly that that has caused you to decide that you'd rather quit. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

The coercion definitely works. I am just pointing out the contrast between normally moral and decent people who approve of this mistreatment of other people when it comes to unions. A deviation from how they live the other parts of their lives.

 

[G4dude]

United we stand-Divided we fall.

That's the easiest way I can describe it to you.

One pilot crossing the line gives management a hard on and let's them know that there are chinks in the armor. Especially if you're two years from a strike and you're already letting them know you'll scab.[/QUOTE

I have NOT said I will scab. In fact, I almost certainly won't.

 

[G4dude]

That this is the tone of the conversation over there, means Mgt has them by the short and curlies, and the union is not managing this well. Build a case, then take a strike vote.

Works for me.

 

[PCL_128]

I have NOT said I will scab. In fact, I almost certainly won't.

You see, the "almost" in that sentence is the problem. You criticizing anyone else's morals is laughable.

 

[G4dude]

You see, the "almost" in that sentence is the problem. You criticizing anyone else's morals is laughable.

Why is it laughable? I would never mistreat someone for disagreeing with me.

 

[PCL_128]

Why is it laughable?

Stabbing your coworkers in the back while they fight for improvements is the lowest of the low. No one is worse than a scab.

 

[Flopgut]

You see, the "almost" in that sentence is the problem. You criticizing anyone else's morals is laughable.

Stabbing your coworkers in the back while they fight for improvements is the lowest of the low. No one is worse than a scab.

There's one thing worse. A lot worse. And that's a union that eats itself and destroys other members lives for no legitimate reason. Pilot ranks are chocked FULL of them, and you're not helping in the least. There is absolutely NOTHING going wrong enough at Netjets for them to be having this conversation.

 

[G4dude]

Stabbing your coworkers in the back while they fight for improvements is the lowest of the low. No one is worse than a scab.

"Stabbing your coworkers in the back?" What an imflammatory phrase. Its always a war with you guys. War with the company, war with members who disagree with you, lifelong bitter conflict. Gad.

 

[Diesel]

United we stand-Divided we fall.



That's the easiest way I can describe it to you.



One pilot crossing the line gives management a hard on and let's them know that there are chinks in the armor. Especially if you're two years from a strike and you're already letting them know you'll scab.[/QUOTE



I have NOT said I will scab. In fact, I almost certainly won't.

The company preys on those that are in the "almost" category.

They know that with your vote on the fence they only have to work hard enough to get just you to vote yes.

 

[Roomwithaview]

G4 Dude

There's a union there for a reason.

http://jetcareers.com/forums/threads/how-did-the-netjets-vote-go.56350/page-2

Scan this page for a quick history lesson as to why.

Pay, Bennies, QOL, discipline, termination, and most of all SAFETY are the huge issues that your CB Agent have procured for you over the years. I would think someone that worked at a NETJETS type operation would have a sincere appreciation for having a UNION on property to keep those benefits coming and those detriments at bay.

If you're that "on the fence" then I would say you don't reallly have a very good grasp of what it is your union does for you and even more specifically, what they've done to get you where you are and what they will do should you ever find yourself on the wrong side of a discipline/termination issue.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bash the coercion all you want, but I'm betting that it's exactly that that has caused you to decide that you'd rather quit. Sounds like mission accomplished to me.

On an completely unrelated-to-Netjets topic, I suspect that I'm not the only member of this board who finds it wildly hilarious that the irony of your comment about "decid[ing] that you'd rather quit" is somehow lost on you, PCL.

Another "mission accomplished"? :blush:

Bubba

 

[G4dude]

On an completely unrelated-to-Netjets topic, I suspect that I'm not the only member of this board who finds it wildly hilarious that the irony of your comment about "decid[ing] that you'd rather quit" is somehow lost on you, PCL.

Another "mission accomplished"? :blush:

Bubba

Why is that ironic?

 

[PCL_128]

I don't think he understands the meaning of the word "ironic."

 

[CA1900]

I want good pay and conditions JUST AS MUCH as the union supporters do. ... Even if I honor the picket line, I would NEVER mistreat a scab, not for a second.

If you would treat a scab with the same respect you'd treat those of us actually working to better this place, then no, you absolutely do NOT want it "just as much" as union supporters do.

 

[G4dude]

If you would treat a scab with the same respect you'd treat those of us actually working to better this place, then no, you absolutely do NOT want it "just as much" as union supporters do.

In your opinion. I actually would respect a scab more than a striker, because he will be trying to help the company survive the strike so we can continue to have our jobs.

 

[Diesel]

In your opinion. I actually would respect a scab more than a striker, because he will be trying to help the company survive the strike so we can continue to have our jobs.

 

[G4dude]

On an completely unrelated-to-Netjets topic, I suspect that I'm not the only member of this board who finds it wildly hilarious that the irony of your comment about "decid[ing] that you'd rather quit" is somehow lost on you, PCL.

Another "mission accomplished"? :blush:

Bubba

Do you mean the irony of being glad that a dues paying member was driven from his job by the hooliganism of the union crazies? If so, I agree with you. This union "brotherhood" stuff is just a lot of rhetorical class warfare cloaking of darker forces at work, namely POWER OVER OTHERS.

 

[jynxyjericho]

In your opinion. I actually would respect a scab more than a striker, because he will be trying to help the company survive the strike so we can continue to have our jobs.

Lol. Oh G4, you crazy crazy guy.