Please help a fellow union brother not SCAB.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

Flopgut said:
This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

G4dude: when the Union frustrates you, keep this in mind

I believe companies should fire anyone they want to, especially those who try to organize union representation. Our jobs don't belong to us. We are paid if we provide a valued service to the employer. If I owned a company, I would fire organizers immediately. Union types are generally lazy, negative, and less productive. With some exceptions, of course.

Flopgut · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
I believe companies should fire anyone they want to, especially those who try to organize union representation. Our jobs don't belong to us. We are paid if we provide a valued service to the employer. If I owned a company, I would fire organizers immediately. Union types are generally lazy, negative, and less productive. With some exceptions, of course.

Well, you've got a perfect example right there at Netjets of where that attitude will land you. Those Gulfstreams were a runaway shop and the union eventually won. Damn well bet the union did own those jobs! Mgt and Gulfstream had it proven to them in a court. What you're saying is basucally illegal, but certainly proves you're an a$$hole.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

Flopgut said:
Well, you've got a perfect example right there at Netjets of where that attitude will land you. Those Gulfstreams were a runaway shop and the union eventually won. Damn well bet the union did own those jobs! Mgt and Gulfstream had it proven to them in a court. What you're saying is basucally illegal, but certainly proves you're an a$$hole.

I am saying it shouldn't be illegal. If I take the risk and do the grinding work of starting a company, I should have the right to hire and fire who I wish. And the union won by coercing Santulli into giving up. No democratic process there. A union vote at NJI would have lost 85/15 percent, in my opinion.

PCL_128 · Feb 22, 2015

I own a company, and I certainly don't believe that I should have the right to crush a union drive. I can imagine nothing more un-American.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

PCL_128 said:
I own a company, and I certainly don't believe that I should have the right to crush a union drive. I can imagine nothing more un-American.

I respect your opinion. I just don't agree. I would never advocate thuggish behavior in stopping a unionizing effort, but I would want to fire the employees involved, and wish them well in their future employment. Another way to state this general philosophy: I would HATE it if NJA fired me, but I believe they should have the unfettered right to do so, for any reason.

Flopgut · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
I am saying it shouldn't be illegal. If I take the risk and do the grinding work of starting a company, I should have the right to hire and fire who I wish. And the union won by coercing Santulli into giving up. No democratic process there. A union vote at NJI would have lost 85/15 percent, in my opinion.

The Declaration of Independece reads "We the people", not We the huge faceless corporations... You are not only at the wrong company, you're in the wrong Country. You are free to leave BOTH!! Or, you're also welcome to toe the line pal!!!

PCL_128 · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
I would never advocate thuggish behavior in stopping a unionizing effort, but I would want to fire the employees involved

These two statements are mutually exclusive. Firing someone for trying to unionize is thuggish behavior.

outerlimits · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
I respect your opinion. I just don't agree. I would never advocate thuggish behavior in stopping a unionizing effort, but I would want to fire the employees involved, and wish them well in their future employment. Another way to state this general philosophy: I would HATE it if NJA fired me, but I believe they should have the unfettered right to do so, for any reason.

So it's ok if they make you fly a broken Aircraft or bust mins.

I Do not think you believe what you are saying .

Diesel · Feb 22, 2015

Awe G4 is back. We missed you. Hope you will make it to Omaha. Thanks for standing strong and having your fellow union brothers and sisters backs.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

outerlimits said:
So it's ok if they make you fly a broken Aircraft or bust mins.

I Do not think you believe what you are saying .

Nope, both are wrong. What company is doing that, pray tell?

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

Diesel said:
Awe G4 is back. We missed you. Hope you will make it to Omaha. Thanks for standing strong and having your fellow union brothers and sisters backs.

Thanks. I pay dues and think the union does a pretty good job, against all my lifelong opinions against unions.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

Flopgut said:
The Declaration of Independece reads "We the people", not We the huge faceless corporations... You are not only at the wrong company, you're in the wrong Country. You are free to leave BOTH!! Or, you're also welcome to toe the line pal!!!

I know you are just angry, but I should leave the US because I don't believe in unions?

get2flyin · Feb 22, 2015

outerlimits said:
So it's ok if they make you fly a broken Aircraft or bust mins.

I Do not think you believe what you are saying .

You beat me to it.

G4dude · Feb 22, 2015

get2flyin said:
You beat me to it.

What company makes pilots do those things? Call the FAA if that happens.

get2flyin · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
What company makes pilots do those things? Call the FAA if that happens.

What's worse, the company that forces a pilot to break FARs or the one that rewards pilots that do it without being asked? Regardless of WX or MX, the pilot that gets to the destination without incident must be the best pilot the company has, right?

Diesel · Feb 22, 2015

G4dude said:
Thanks. I pay dues and think the union does a pretty good job, against all my lifelong opinions against unions.

Then why don't you start doing your part and join the fight instead of sitting on the fence and threatening to scab if you don't agree with the union.

Let's go we have a long fight ahead of us.

CA1900 · Feb 23, 2015

G4dude said:
If I owned a company, I would fire organizers immediately. Union types are generally lazy, negative, and less productive.

You should go ahead and find a non-union employer immediately, then.

Herkdrv · Feb 23, 2015

PCL_128 said:
These two statements are mutually exclusive. Firing someone for trying to unionize is thuggish behavior.

Thought you finally quit? Why do you even care?

Diesel · Feb 23, 2015

CA1900 said:
You should go ahead and find a non-union employer immediately, then.

He got all flustered and left fi for a couple of weeks. Nobody would listen to his ideal but he is still preaching it on the road to anyone that will listen.

You know the type.

He won't fly the contract and he won't support our union unless it suits him then he's been harmed and expects representation. He will scream from the highest rooftop about how he has been wronged and pays good money for representation but couldn't care less when it happened to the other guy but is now up in arms when it's happened to him.

He will cross. Just look at his disdain for union employees. He hates them unless it suits him.

PCL_128 · Feb 23, 2015

Herkdrv said:
Thought you finally quit? Why do you even care?

Why do you care why I care?

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