Pinnacle

[washout]

so am i reading this correctly...?

if you get hired already meeting the upgrade minimums (3500 TT) you can upgrade immediately after completing initial training?

 

[dondk]

so am i reading this correctly...?

if you get hired already meeting the upgrade minimums (3500 TT) you can upgrade immediately after completing initial training?

In theory... YES...

what I mean by that is before we changed the min's and added a mentor program it was/is possible to go through initial and come right back for upgrade. With the new(er) min's, seniority is coming back to upgrade and I would expect it to jump back from 6-9 months to probably 2-3 years. I don't think it will stay up in the 2+ years, I would guess 18 months... we hired a whole bunch of peeps that are looking at a solid 2-3 years for upgrade.

 

[ataopsdave]

The first vacancy after the reduced mins gets put out tomorrow and this will be a sign of how senior upgrade will go...I have heard that once they reduced the mins they got about 40 new bids for upgrade but I am not sure how senior they are

 

[tataki]

The ones who are looking at a solid 2-3 years upgrade are the ones who have like 300 hours correct?

 

[CoATP]

In the classic sense .... BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.

It will take a new contract and the pilot group is resolved to get it. The movement of a/c to XJ was planned in advance (mgmt's delay in negotiations) and allows the 900's from DL to be a "possibility." IMHO that will require a new contract and PT will get serious or he will lose his little HO over the Delta deal.

 

[washout]

forgive my ignorance....reduced upgrade mins? what are those?

are people applying there with the intention of upgrading right away?

 

[DTWFO]

DTW has some west coast commuters, consider you will have to double hop when the release times are after 2000.

Inbound... on the red eye..

MSP has the larger group of west coast guys/gals... only 1 timezone you have to jump as well.

This is a correct statement. There is currently only 1 flight leaving DTW after 19:39 to anywhere West of St. Louis non-stop. Only about 1% of our schedules are commutable in Detroit (at the end) and if you are not in the top 10 on the list you can forget about those.

 

[Papps]

Your going to like it, then your going to hate it, then your going to like it again for a little bit, then your going to hate it again then your going to quit.

 

[PCL_128]

Your going to like it, then your going to hate it, then your going to like it again for a little bit, then your going to hate it again then your going to quit.

Actually, I liked it for about the first few months (when we were actually properly staffed with nice schedules), then I started hating it continuously for the next 5 years.

 

[ataopsdave]

This is a correct statement. There is currently only 1 flight leaving DTW after 19:39 to anywhere West of St. Louis non-stop. Only about 1% of our schedules are commutable in Detroit (at the end) and if you are not in the top 10 on the list you can forget about those.

I guess the stats are a little skewed because I am not in the top 10 but my trips are all commutable at both ends

 

[DTWFO]

I guess the stats are a little skewed because I am not in the top 10 but my trips are all commutable at both ends

I was referring to those that commute to the West. I highly doubt that if you live on the West coast all your trips are commutable on both ends....unless you are doing all highspeeds with 10 days off, or you have a time machine.

 

[DX Rick]

Maybe if we got a new contract that treated up properly we wouldnt have to steer people away from here

Ha Ha, now thats funny stuff Dave. Come on, I know you're smarter than that. Management doesn't give a rats azz how you're treated. If you've been there 2 yrs, you've been there 2 yrs too many.
You're doing nothing but costing them more money each year you're there.
PCL-128 is raping them for all their concerned. 5 yrs at Captain pay? If they could, they would have thier little GIA 300hour wonder as captains for them, but the regs say "no"

How many guys are they getting in each class? Maybe you should meet up with these new hire classes outside of the company and urge them to run as fast as possible...thats if you really wanted to steer people away. You know what hotel they stay at.

It's going to be more fun now, seeing you guys got the 16- CRJ900's from Delta. Who's getting those? You or Colgan? I'm guessing management will be waving those infront of Colgans nose, to get the whipsaw in effect.

All I can suggest if they do, is don't bite. Let Colgan have them for what ever rates they offer to fly them for. I have been out of the loop, but is Colgan ALPA now, or has the vote not taken place? Hopefully ALPA will step to the plate, and not allow either carrier fly those airplanes for $.01 less than what Horizon flies thier -900's for.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL-128 is raping them for all their concerned.

You know, that almost makes it worth while to stick around this place.


Almost.

 

[DoinTime]

Hopefully ALPA will step to the plate, and not allow either carrier fly those airplanes for $.01 less than what Horizon flies thier -900's for.

Just what does Horizon fly the -900 for?

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Just what does Horizon fly the -900 for?

Nothing,
They don't have any 900's just 700's and the Dashes.

 

[DX Rick]

Nothing,
They don't have any 900's just 700's and the Dashes.

Oh, sorry. Thought they had them.

 

[tataki]

How about commute from San Francisco.
Is anyone at Pinnacle In the Bay area?

 

[DX Rick]

How about commute from San Francisco.
Is anyone at Pinnacle In the Bay area?

Come on guy! Take a hint, don;t go there. No matter what your situation is, DONT GO THERE!!!

I don't care if you're a low timer, just trying to get a job. It's seriously not worth the pain and agony to go work for a company like this or Mesa.

Go flight instruct or fly boxes.

 

[better up here]

It's going to be more fun now, seeing you guys got the 16- CRJ900's from Delta. Who's getting those? You or Colgan? I'm guessing management will be waving those infront of Colgans nose, to get the whipsaw in effect.

All I can suggest if they do, is don't bite. Let Colgan have them for what ever rates they offer to fly them for. I have been out of the loop, but is Colgan ALPA now, or has the vote not taken place?

First, I'm glad to see a PCL thread that took this long to mention CJC.

Second, we have a hard enough time staffing the Q. The capt list went almost all the way to the end of our senority list. No one wants to fly it. Right now anyway. Only ONE FO even applied. And he/she was a beech guy/gal...

You can have your jets as far as I care. I'm happy with my beta. And if you have been 'out of the loop' maybe you just need to shhhh....

Go ALPA...

 

[Lear70]

Now that the ink is dry on the agreement, it should be available for inspection per SEC rules...? I bet there's some type of limit to using Colgan for the DAL contract. They'd have been foolish not to include one and send a bunch of shiny jets to a pilot group who's never flown them before when there's an operating wing that's operating a smaller version of the same jet.

That said, Rick, you're NEVER going to get guys to stop taking these jobs. These guys lack the perspective, not to mention the personal self esteem to realize they're worth MORE than $17,500 a year after all the training they've had.

I swear, the BEST thing ALPA could do is start a grass-roots high school campaign to show these kids a typical schedule (5-6 leg days, 8-9 hour overnights, 18 days a month working) with the pay rate for their entire regional career and see if they really want to be gone from home that much for no return.

They've all seen "Top Gun", "Catch me if you can", etc, and think that you get to fly to all these exotic places and have long overnights to party and sightsee.

They need to find out that they won't get to do much of ANY of that for the next 2 decades until they're a senior pilot at a Legacy carrier, and that if they're off by a little bit when the hiring cycle comes around this time, they can add another 5-7 years to that, and even then that have to schmooz like a dirty fiend to get the recommendations they'll need to move on to a major.

When you put it like that, who would think it was a good idea?

Shortage of incoming pilots = one of two things.

Ab initio training from Private to airline (which still doesn't fix the problem), or
Higher pilot salaries

Supply and Demand

 

[TurboAWD]

Just what does Horizon fly the -900 for?

That's right, they fly the 700. So we should get paid more than the QX 700 rate to fly the 900, right?

Turbo

 

[MNPilot135]

Given the new upgrade minimums for the current FO's at Pinnacle, what is the upgrade time looking like for someone who is hired in with 3500 plus hours?

 

[Kaman]

Hello,
I don't really see CJC operating the -900, or any other jet in the "forseeable" future. We have the same staffing issus that many regional airlines are currently experiencing. Deliveries of the Q-400 coupled with the conditional/optional orders wouldn't indicate any other type of airplane on the property. It is true that the Q-400 bid went pretty senior, and fewer than a handful of F/Os are bidding the right seat. Whether it's by design or circumstance, management hasn't given a whole lot of incentives to fly the thing.
The larger concern is rumors that Mesaba (NWA) will be unloading their SAABs on PCL. Given the fact that Pinnacle Holdings strategic plan is to have Colgan the turboprop airline and Pinnacle Airlines the jet airline. We could logically assume that Colgan will recieve all or some of these aircraft. What kind of a whipsaw this will take is anyone's guess?

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Come on now... Northwest wouldn't create some reason to remove Mesaba's planes. Besides uke: Spanjers assures us all is well. We have sucessfully secured our core flying of 49 Saabs, we have outstanding metrics, the 19.4% saved Mesaba (yes I know it ended up a little less than that) bla bla bla. :smash:

 

[Lazy8]

So lets say someone had an offer from Big Sky and Pinnacle...