Pinnacle

[dondk]

How about IND for any of the bases and commuting?

I know we have a few IND-DTW guys... 2 of them are super senior
IND to the others I am not sure of, maybe 1 or 2 MSP guys.

The handful of times I have either operated or D/H IND-DTW or MEM the loads vary from full to mostly full. So... that could be the only issue.

Not the best answer, but I know we have commuters out of IND. Plenty of flights though and IND overnights are in the system. Many are decent 14+ overnights, except it varies month to month which domicile does the majority of IND flying.

 

[meyers9163]

I know we have a few IND-DTW guys... 2 of them are super senior
IND to the others I am not sure of, maybe 1 or 2 MSP guys.

The handful of times I have either operated or D/H IND-DTW or MEM the loads vary from full to mostly full. So... that could be the only issue.

Not the best answer, but I know we have commuters out of IND. Plenty of flights though and IND overnights are in the system. Many are decent 14+ overnights, except it varies month to month which domicile does the majority of IND flying.

Sounds good. I think it'd be managable to commute from IND to DTW. I just wonder about it. I just dont want to think it'd be easy to comute from here and findout its impossible. Would it be possible to get a lot of layovers in IND or just saying its a possibility? Also Dondk check PM

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm looking forward to getting hired at Pinnacle. The Ann Arbor to DTW commute can't be *that* bad!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

The MSP-DTW commute... Severe heartburn to downright impossible. Sometimes it really is quicker to drive.

 

[Grey Ghost]

Or you could just go to the old am-flight

 

[acarpe3448]

Questions.

- Reserve time
- Junior Base
- Commute
- Days off
- Upgrade
- Moral

Thank you all.

Believe me you do not want anything to do with tghis $hit hole airline! Management sucks, schedules suck, no rights, no droped trips, pay is the worst! It is getting more and more dangerous there also! I spent a lot of years working there! Do yourself a favor steer clear! You will live longer!

 

[arthompson]

Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.

 

[PCL_128]

Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.

Trips haven't been dropped for years because the company intentionally understaffs perpetually. The last straight drop that I had approved was about 3 years ago.

 

[ataopsdave]

Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.

Maybe if we got a new contract that treated up properly we wouldnt have to steer people away from here

 

[Lear70]

Trips haven't been dropped for years because the company intentionally understaffs perpetually. The last straight drop that I had approved was about 3 years ago.

That's exactly correct.

The company hasn't been properly staffed since PCL had those 15 aircraft yanked and they displaced CA's back to the right seat in the winter of '03.

They actually had sufficient reserves and trip trades / drops were done with absolutely no problems.

Lasted about 6 months while people continued to quit for other jobs.

PCL is not the worst regional, that title goes to GoJets among others,,,

However, it's in the bottom 5. But then again, if you're really looking at going there, that means PCL is probably the only option you have anyway, and you probably aren't qualified for an Express Jet job, so I guess you take what you can get.

Problem is, you'll probably be one of those guys who votes in whatever TA comes out just so you can get your time and move on.

 

[washout]

so am i reading this correctly...?

if you get hired already meeting the upgrade minimums (3500 TT) you can upgrade immediately after completing initial training?

 

[dondk]

so am i reading this correctly...?

if you get hired already meeting the upgrade minimums (3500 TT) you can upgrade immediately after completing initial training?

In theory... YES...

what I mean by that is before we changed the min's and added a mentor program it was/is possible to go through initial and come right back for upgrade. With the new(er) min's, seniority is coming back to upgrade and I would expect it to jump back from 6-9 months to probably 2-3 years. I don't think it will stay up in the 2+ years, I would guess 18 months... we hired a whole bunch of peeps that are looking at a solid 2-3 years for upgrade.

 

[ataopsdave]

The first vacancy after the reduced mins gets put out tomorrow and this will be a sign of how senior upgrade will go...I have heard that once they reduced the mins they got about 40 new bids for upgrade but I am not sure how senior they are

 

[tataki]

The ones who are looking at a solid 2-3 years upgrade are the ones who have like 300 hours correct?

 

[CoATP]

In the classic sense .... BEATINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.

It will take a new contract and the pilot group is resolved to get it. The movement of a/c to XJ was planned in advance (mgmt's delay in negotiations) and allows the 900's from DL to be a "possibility." IMHO that will require a new contract and PT will get serious or he will lose his little HO over the Delta deal.

 

[washout]

forgive my ignorance....reduced upgrade mins? what are those?

are people applying there with the intention of upgrading right away?

 

[DTWFO]

DTW has some west coast commuters, consider you will have to double hop when the release times are after 2000.

Inbound... on the red eye..

MSP has the larger group of west coast guys/gals... only 1 timezone you have to jump as well.

This is a correct statement. There is currently only 1 flight leaving DTW after 19:39 to anywhere West of St. Louis non-stop. Only about 1% of our schedules are commutable in Detroit (at the end) and if you are not in the top 10 on the list you can forget about those.

 

[Papps]

Your going to like it, then your going to hate it, then your going to like it again for a little bit, then your going to hate it again then your going to quit.

 

[PCL_128]

Your going to like it, then your going to hate it, then your going to like it again for a little bit, then your going to hate it again then your going to quit.

Actually, I liked it for about the first few months (when we were actually properly staffed with nice schedules), then I started hating it continuously for the next 5 years.

 

[ataopsdave]

This is a correct statement. There is currently only 1 flight leaving DTW after 19:39 to anywhere West of St. Louis non-stop. Only about 1% of our schedules are commutable in Detroit (at the end) and if you are not in the top 10 on the list you can forget about those.

I guess the stats are a little skewed because I am not in the top 10 but my trips are all commutable at both ends