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Grove said:
When did that happen and so what if they did? You're still short of pilots and the company has the opportunity to expand outside of Northwest.
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It happened today and do you actually think that any company would be stupid enough to contract with us since we dont have a pilot contract...they have been talking about growth outside northwest for years and it is called colgan....
 
Yeah just found it: http://biz.yahoo.com/e/070426/pncl8-k.html

That's a shame.

But anyway, there is supposedly 30/month leaving Pinnacle for Majors and Fractionals and seeing as how PNCL has a 10-year agreement with NWA I still don't see why it's a bad place to be. A regional is a regional. One year business looks bleak, the next it looks great. Telling everyone not to go there is just hurting the company more. I realize there are sometimes better situations to be in, but helping to sink your own ship doesn't make much sense. All regionals suck.

Guess we'll see when this contract gets finished.

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I am not helping to sink the ship...it has been sinking for the last year all by itself...ask pretty much anybody on this board that has worked here and they will tell you the same...it is not a horrible place but there are definitely better places...even XJ is probably better post bankruptcy
 
I am interested on joining the team so,
- Reserve time
- Junior Base
- Commute
- Days off
- Upgrade
- Moral

Thank you all.
 
i hear yah

i actually have an interview coming up there myself so i guess we'll see...

it would certainly beat the living hell out of what i'm doing now.
 
tataki said:
I am interested on joining the team so,
- Reserve time
- Junior Base
- Commute
- Days off
- Upgrade
- Moral

Thank you all.
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-Reserve time is dependent but pretty much nonexistent in DTW and I think about 6 months in MSP and MEM
-Junior base is DTW but I think they are handing out all 3 in training...if you dont get it right away you should get it soon
-commute depends on where you are coming from but not very good
-Days Off...min 10 days off but average is about 14...I have been here over 2 years and I hold between 16-17
-upgrade right now is short as in new hires are getting it but they just changed the mins so we will see
-moral...just read the above posts...morale is very bad
 
tataki said:
I am interested on joining the team so,
- Reserve time
- Junior Base
- Commute
- Days off
- Upgrade
- Moral

Thank you all.
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Dave is on the money for the most part.. Let me just add .02
-reserve is as posted, but with upcoming shortages you can plan on less than 4 months in just about any base.
-Junior Base tends to be DTW, MEM tends to run senior
-commute... DTW tends to be the most commutable, but it depends on where you live. MEM and MSP are not as commutable. If you commute from a high commuter city... good luck!
-Days off... 10 by contract and until off reserve by a few months count on no more than 10. From there it depends on domicile and time. After 1 year the average is 14 days in DTW, 12 in MEM and 13 in MSP, after 2 years in DTW it is 16+, MSP and MEM 14+. Top lines tend to go to DTW which the best is 20 days off, but lifer FO's and CA's own those.
Upgrade- I would estimate year or better, with new upgrade times I see it climbing to 18 months.
Morale... it is what you make of it. everyone is different, we are a regional what more can I say?
 
ataopsdave said:
do you actually think that any company would be stupid enough to contract with us since we dont have a pilot contract...
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That is what management wants you to think, but actually it doesn't have anything to do with labor costs, that is PCL management problem. A major carrier just offers a contract based on price of the seat flown so many miles and performance,(Being able to actually complete the flights agreed upon) whatever they (The regional) have to do to keep those prices agreed upon the major carrier couldn't care less.
Now, performance is another thing. If with the lack of staffing the ability of the company to actually cover the flights they agreed on doing is reduced then that is a point to consider by the major carrier offering the contract.
 
How hard would an IND commute to DTW be? Looks like there are a lot of flights between the two each day I didnt know if you could check loads out and find out?
 
Grove said:
A regional is a regional.
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You couldn't be more wrong. The difference between ExpressJet and Pinnacle is extraordinary. Regionals aren't all alike, no matter how many flightinfo posters like to pretend they are.

Telling everyone not to go there is just hurting the company more.
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Good. The more the company struggles with their staffing, the more pressure is on them to settle the contract.

I agree with Dave. Don't come here.
 
tataki said:
Is DTW commutable from SFO?
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DTW has some west coast commuters, consider you will have to double hop when the release times are after 2000.

Inbound... on the red eye..

MSP has the larger group of west coast guys/gals... only 1 timezone you have to jump as well.
 
meyers9163 said:
How about IND for any of the bases and commuting?
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I know we have a few IND-DTW guys... 2 of them are super senior
IND to the others I am not sure of, maybe 1 or 2 MSP guys.

The handful of times I have either operated or D/H IND-DTW or MEM the loads vary from full to mostly full. So... that could be the only issue.

Not the best answer, but I know we have commuters out of IND. Plenty of flights though and IND overnights are in the system. Many are decent 14+ overnights, except it varies month to month which domicile does the majority of IND flying.
 
dondk said:
I know we have a few IND-DTW guys... 2 of them are super senior
IND to the others I am not sure of, maybe 1 or 2 MSP guys.

The handful of times I have either operated or D/H IND-DTW or MEM the loads vary from full to mostly full. So... that could be the only issue.

Not the best answer, but I know we have commuters out of IND. Plenty of flights though and IND overnights are in the system. Many are decent 14+ overnights, except it varies month to month which domicile does the majority of IND flying.
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Sounds good. I think it'd be managable to commute from IND to DTW. I just wonder about it. I just dont want to think it'd be easy to comute from here and findout its impossible. Would it be possible to get a lot of layovers in IND or just saying its a possibility? Also Dondk check PM
 
The MSP-DTW commute... Severe heartburn to downright impossible. Sometimes it really is quicker to drive.
 
tataki said:
Questions.

- Reserve time
- Junior Base
- Commute
- Days off
- Upgrade
- Moral

Thank you all.
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Believe me you do not want anything to do with tghis $hit hole airline! Management sucks, schedules suck, no rights, no droped trips, pay is the worst! It is getting more and more dangerous there also! I spent a lot of years working there! Do yourself a favor steer clear! You will live longer!
 
Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.
 
arthompson said:
Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.
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Trips haven't been dropped for years because the company intentionally understaffs perpetually. The last straight drop that I had approved was about 3 years ago.
 
arthompson said:
Trips don't get dropped because there is no staffing to allow it. Since you're steering people clear of here you'll see less trips dropped due to no staffing.
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Maybe if we got a new contract that treated up properly we wouldnt have to steer people away from here
 
PCL_128 said:
Trips haven't been dropped for years because the company intentionally understaffs perpetually. The last straight drop that I had approved was about 3 years ago.
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That's exactly correct.

The company hasn't been properly staffed since PCL had those 15 aircraft yanked and they displaced CA's back to the right seat in the winter of '03.

They actually had sufficient reserves and trip trades / drops were done with absolutely no problems.

Lasted about 6 months while people continued to quit for other jobs.

PCL is not the worst regional, that title goes to GoJets among others,,,

However, it's in the bottom 5. But then again, if you're really looking at going there, that means PCL is probably the only option you have anyway, and you probably aren't qualified for an Express Jet job, so I guess you take what you can get.

Problem is, you'll probably be one of those guys who votes in whatever TA comes out just so you can get your time and move on.
 

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