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WildBlue said:
Why should everyone in MEM walk with THEIR heads down? Even for flightinfo that is a moronic statement.
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For your pleasure ******************************, Most of the MEM base should walk with their heads down
 
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I am based in MEM...and I have absolutely no shame in how I voted! After talking with a lot of different people...it was more voting no down there than I even guessed
 
PCL guys... the way to get the best TA is not leave the heavy lifting to the MEC and NC. Enlist yourself and work for the TA your deserve. ALPA is only the broker after management realizes the grassroots movement is ironclad....
 
Gotta say I didn't think we'd do it. Thanks to all my 9E folks for doing what needed to be done. For what it's worth I have a whole new appreciation for what ASA did. We took a step in the right direction, but have a long way to go to help this Industry. Let's not sell our selves short. We're a young pilot group and the sky's the limit. Let's finish this thing!!!
 
Good job, but lets see how Delta responds to this news. In the age of musical regionals I wonder how long it will be until they announce a reduction of 9E's flying. By the time our TA went out to vote NWA had already leaned on us by having our own crews park the AVROS in the desert. The very night the TA results passed NWA announced the AVROS were coming back out of the desert. The regionals in the Delta family really have no leverage anymore and all are expendable!
 
20sx said:
I love hearing the support....will we still get it when we get increased flying because we're still the cheapest?
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When ASA was deep in negotiations, we were told we could gain no new flying because our future costs were unknown and the uncertainty of a possible strike or job action. Not to mention, Skywest took our scheduled 900 deliveries. I'm not sure that the TA vote will be a positive thing for future flying.
 
79%N1 said:
When ASA was deep in negotiations, we were told we could gain no new flying because our future costs were unknown and the uncertainty of a possible strike or job action. Not to mention, Skywest took our scheduled 900 deliveries. I'm not sure that the TA vote will be a positive thing for future flying.
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If management really wants more flying they will come to an agreement.
 
mesaba13 said:
Good job, but lets see how Delta responds to this news. In the age of musical regionals I wonder how long it will be until they announce a reduction of 9E's flying. By the time our TA went out to vote NWA had already leaned on us by having our own crews park the AVROS in the desert. The very night the TA results passed NWA announced the AVROS were coming back out of the desert. The regionals in the Delta family really have no leverage anymore and all are expendable!
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From a business standpoint what is the motivation to dump your cheapest and best performing regional?
 
9E mang will say DL is pissed, really DL won't care. Mang will say no new flying from DL until this is resolved, In reality there will be no new flying either way
 
shortbus driver said:
I am based in MEM...and I have absolutely no shame in how I voted! After talking with a lot of different people...it was more voting no down there than I even guessed
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They claim they vote no because they're ashamed for voting yes.
Just like I haven't met a pilot yet who voted for Obama, but yet somehow he got the majority vote.
 
After they announced the signing bonuse it was signed,
In Unity,


I wish we could come together as a pilot group, but it wont happen.... Can't wait to hear MGT's spin on the 830 conferance call twr.. My guess is they blame it on the signing bonus
 
Why does Delta re-paint airframes that are going away or airframes that have brand new paint already? Hurry up and paint everything in this economic market makes little sense to me but yet they are wasting millions on it.

How do you know that 9E is the cheapest and best performing? Cheap pilot contract doesn't always equate to cheapest regional.
 
pdub20s said:
Yea this creates pilot unity...:rolleyes:
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"Pilot Unity" coming from a Freedom guy? You make me laugh.

And if it were voted though there would have been a whole ton of pilot unity, the junior guys would be pissed as hell at the senior guys.
 
mesaba13 said:
Good job, but lets see how Delta responds to this news. In the age of musical regionals I wonder how long it will be until they announce a reduction of 9E's flying. By the time our TA went out to vote NWA had already leaned on us by having our own crews park the AVROS in the desert. The very night the TA results passed NWA announced the AVROS were coming back out of the desert. The regionals in the Delta family really have no leverage anymore and all are expendable!
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It sounds like you want this to happen. If Delta wants to park some of pinnacles planes or transfer them to mesaba or who ever else, they still have to pay us per our asa unless we fall below our goals which we are not even close to falling below.
 
My post started with GOOD JOB! Why does that sound like I want bad things to happen to 9E? I have family members who flew and still fly for 9E, so that is the last thing I want to happen. I am just pointing out that in the last decade I have learned to never under-estimate what mainline is capable of.

PS We all have ASA's and if you think any are iron clad then I would think again. I wonder if Mesaba had an ASA for the 23 Saabs that are leaving?
 
mesaba13 said:
Why does Delta re-paint airframes that are going away or airframes that have brand new paint already? Hurry up and paint everything in this economic market makes little sense to me but yet they are wasting millions on it.

How do you know that 9E is the cheapest and best performing? Cheap pilot contract doesn't always equate to cheapest regional.
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Pinnacle'e total block hour costs are less than even Mesa's.
 
mesaba13 said:
My post started with GOOD JOB! Why does that sound like I want bad things to happen to 9E? I have family members who flew and still fly for 9E, so that is the last thing I want to happen. I am just pointing out that in the last decade I have learned to never under-estimate what mainline is capable of.

PS We all have ASA's and if you think any are iron clad then I would think again. I wonder if Mesaba had an ASA for the 23 Saabs that are leaving?
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Sorry dude, I make the one mistake i hate when people do on here and that is assume. Mesaba is the one that bad things should not be happening to as well. Good luck to you guys as well.
 
Great job guys. You will hear threats but you will be fine. The sky will be falling according to management.

Keep up the pressure. You will get the contract that you deserve. Again good job. I will gladly walk circles with you if need be.
 
WayBack said:
"Pilot Unity" coming from a Freedom guy? You make me laugh.

And if it were voted though there would have been a whole ton of pilot unity, the junior guys would be pissed as hell at the senior guys.
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Why does that make you laugh?
 

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