Pinnacle Staffing Cost 9E Pilots Fence Positions

[Flyprdu]

It's a shame that Mr. Bloch couldn't take into consideration the fact that our staffing levels were absolutely rock bottom at the time the snapshot was taken.

Case in point:
For the CRJ-900, he awarded a ratio blend of 2.72:1, XJ to 9E CA. By using aircraft on property (41:17), it should be 2.41:1, XJ to 9E.
That's not too terrible.

But this is awful:
For the CRJ-200, Bloch awarded a ratio blend of 5.41:1 9E to XJ CA. By using aircraft on property (124:17), it should be 7.29:1, 9E to XJ!!!

Pinnacle should have AT LEAST 100 more CRJ2 CA positions fenced off, and 30 more CRJ9 CAs.

I think that Mr. Bloch had the right idea, but at least he could have used the same measuring stick.

 

[RJLoser]

Yup. Agree 100% but it is what it is. Time to move on.

 

[bri5150]

Wanna trade back the 1.5-6 years of seniority you gained?

 

[GRAAB HIRBOUBI]

I don't get your math. It is 7.29 to 1 9e, 9l (Q's) to XJ. At 8 years seniority, most of the 9 company CA are higher than me with a lot less seniority. I really feel the victory...

I didn't get a raise in the new contract. The BEST I was hoping for was a better schedule. I won't get that.

 

[Flyprdu]

Sorry bud, my XJ equivalent DOH is 250 numbers in front of me. Seniority I gained not. I got stuffed behind a whole list of XJ S340 CAs and 9L Q400 CAs that ALL have less longevity than I do.

So I've lost bidding power, AND I have no protections to upgrade.

But let's talk about YOUR problems. :crying:

 

[xjgearbtch]

That's okay your Merger committee tried to pad the list with guys who already left and then fudge DOH to the point of a 30# increase in seniority. They saw the writing on the wall and tried their best, with no common decency, to get you higher.

All XJ is guaranteed a 70+ change in seniority with the flow thru but Bloch didn't include that either. Everyone is equally pissed, sounds like a fair SLI to me. Move on, move forward. Vote XJ LEC CA & FO reps!!!!!!

 

[Flyprdu]

That's okay your Merger committee tried to pad the list with guys who already left and then fudge DOH to the point of a 30# increase in seniority.

Pad the list? WTF are you talking about? If anything, it adversely affected most pilots here because it would push down their relative percentage.

Post again when you get a clue.

 

[mesaba13]

Mesaba does get credit for the flow in a way. We are not at our number of 272 and when flows leave we go below that number and fence our positions.

The 9E staffing helped us alot in the short term as some upgrades will be Mesaba until we get above the ratio. I would think that 9E is a much younger group so that when hiring does start in 2012 they will also have a bunch of attrition and go below their ratio and thus be able to protect their pre-merger postions.

It looks like the fences came directly from the Mesaba SLI Proposal and will serve both groups well.

PS why do you think Bloch should have used a different ratio? You guys had a corporation that was known for this prior to the merger and thus that is what the expectation was.

279:95 is what the 900 staffing was prior to the merger straight from the Bloch award verbiage. So he could have used 2.93:1 (279/95) instead of 2.72:1.

541:100 is what the 200 staffing was prior to the merger straight from the Bloch award verbiage. So he logically used 5.41:1.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Pad the list? WTF are you talking about? If anything, it adversely affected most pilots here because it would push down their relative percentage.

Post again when you get a clue.

Did I ruffle your feathers? That's okay go talk to the merger comittees and learn how deceitful PNCL's actions were. Thankfully Bloch saw thru it. That's where the buck stopped on that issue. Regardless everyone is pretty much equally pissed off, that's how a award SLI should pan out.

Blues clues out!!

 

[jynxyjericho]

The fences were definitely in Mesaba's favor.

Move along folks.

 

[bri5150]

The contract we brought created more jobs on the 9E side. Should we not be able to bid to positions that we brought over in the merger?

 

[mesaba13]

exactly!

 

[DoinTime]

It looks like the fences came directly from the Mesaba SLI Proposal and will serve both groups well.

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.

The contract we brought created more jobs on the 9E side.

What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

 

[xjgearbtch]

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.




What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

I'm super happy with it. I wish the FO's were protected. Then it definitely would have fallen closer in line for Alpa Merger Policy.

Our contract causes 9E to require additional staffing on your fleets. Hence the original complaint of this thread.

 

[bri5150]

These fences will be a horribly divisive subject for years to come. They will cost our merged MEC countless dues dollars to argue internally over who gets what and when. This is Red Book/Green Book all over again. It was stupid to propose and even stupider for Bloch to award.




What part of the Mesaba contract requires additional staffing?

I can't remember the numbers, but it is a known fact that the contract requires a certain percentage more pilots than your old one. Did you go to a JCBA roadshow?

 

[DoinTime]

I can't remember the numbers, but it is a known fact that the contract requires a certain percentage more pilots than your old one. Did you go to a JCBA roadshow?

Nowhere in this agreement (or the prior Mesaba or Pinnacle agreements) does it mandate staffing numbers. Pinnacle is able to staff however Pinnacle wants.

 

[bri5150]

Nowhere in this agreement (or the prior Mesaba or Pinnacle agreements) does it mandate staffing numbers. Pinnacle is able to staff however Pinnacle wants.

Okay, I guess I need to hold your hand a bit. What were the min days off in your last contract? What are the min days off now? Does the amount of days off now require more pilots to cover flying because people have more days off? Seriously, last time you talked about the contract, you said it was nothing like Mesaba's old one, and now you are saying it doesn't require more staffing than your old one. Do you have any idea what you are talking about or do you just spew words on to the website hoping people will believe you?

 

[mesaba13]

Why will the fences be devisive? Also, there should not be much aruguement because the number are black and white.

I think they are great as they protect the 541 premerger 9E CRJ200 captain positions and also protect the 100 premerger XJ CRJ200 captain positions.

The same is true on the 900's. You basically keep the captain jobs that you brought to the merger. (XJ 272 and 9E 100)

Although XJ will get some intitial positions we will reach our 272/100 quickly and 9E will do great in time as their group is much younger and in the next five years we will see more attrition in their ranks than ever before. This should create a huge amount of movement for almost all.

 

[xjhawk]

That's okay your Merger committee tried to pad the list with guys who already left and then fudge DOH to the point of a 30# increase in seniority. They saw the writing on the wall and tried their best, with no common decency, to get you higher.

All XJ is guaranteed a 70+ change in seniority with the flow thru but Bloch didn't include that either. Everyone is equally pissed, sounds like a fair SLI to me. Move on, move forward. Vote XJ LEC CA & FO reps!!!!!!

yeah I like how in the union presentation they quoted three things that ALPA merger policy takes into consideration. Two of the three I remember are Longevity and career expectations. Funny because even if the saabs would have been taken, even with the lowered flow me and 71 other 2001-2004 hires would have stayed captains (maybe, maybe a slight bump as a FO for a short time)-but instead we are now Jr to some guys with 3-4 years longevity-have 500 people shoved in senior to us even though they should not have been.

So the way I see it I was not represented as ALPA defined how their merger policy was suppose to happen. Now I have no bidding power-no QOL-and broken expectations. Will ALPA do anything about it? NO was already the answer. SHAME SHAME SHAME on you ALPA. I am not anti ALPA-I just trust ALPA about as much as anyone else who has stabbed me in the back.

 

[xjhawk]

I am not anti ALPA-I just trust ALPA about as much as anyone else who has stabbed me in the back