Pinnacle Staffing Cost 9E Pilots Fence Positions

[jynxyjericho]

I don't understand either. What made Mesaba so great to make people want to stay there? I mean, come on, it's a crappy regional like any other. Started with turboprops, 50s 60s 70s 80s, tons of guys hired in the 80s and 90s. I think it was the Avro that did them in. They started thinking "ah sweeet! I'm flyin the domestic 4-holer! I could totally retire on this regional 747!" And with their introduction in 1995, people were ecstatic to bid to those. Fast forward 10 y ears, 9/11, almost going to strike, a contract, Avros gone, a shamruptcy, Big Sky whipsaw, and done to just 49 Saabs, I think then pilots realized, "Crap! My domestic 747 is gone! What will I do now?" But by now, they were in too deep. Many with 10-15+ years service, and have no interest in starting over at the bottom on reserve.

So silly all the fast forwarding, you miss all the facts and life consequences. For giggles see NWA pay scales until Delta bought them, then you'll see why our senior MSP peeps would rather make $120k a year with 16 days off than start over as furlough fodder. Also, if you did have children you'd have to consider their future while you go play big boy pilot at 25k a year and no health insurance for the first six months and pay $10 to goto work (worst case scenario). News flash, life experiences change people's perceptions, and if you could walk ten years in our guys shoes you'd see why they made their life choices.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

wow with that rant, maybe you should ask the guys still flying at Comair why they are still there.... That would be even better reading.

 

[jynxyjericho]

wow with that rant, maybe you should ask the guys still flying at Comair why they are still there.... That would be even better reading.

There's still guys at Comair getting the same schedules and deals our guys are, not as many, but I don't think they'll have any trouble landing on their feet. Of course they didn't get a 3:1 over the top of anyone. Pinnacle should keep buying airlines for our top guys. Thanks Pinnacle.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

There's still guys at Comair getting the same schedules and deals our guys are, not as many, but I don't think they'll have any trouble landing on their feet. Of course they didn't get a 3:1 over the top of anyone. Pinnacle should keep buying airlines for our top guys. Thanks Pinnacle.

I guess you haven't noticed the size, shape, and age of those that are still Comair captains. :laugh:

 

[xjhawk]

I just hope ALPA merger policy does for anyone in the future what it did for me....I think I got like a 2:1 for my longevity.....a door slammed in my face for my career expectations here ......what was the third bullet point that Bloch was suppose to adhere too? Oh yeah....fair and equitable.....I guess that was for the other guy...not for everyone

 

[jynxyjericho]

I guess you haven't noticed the size, shape, and age of those that are still Comair captains. :laugh:

Always found them to be very respectable. Are you just smug or have you actually had some problem with the Comair pilots?

 

[Flyer1015]

So silly all the fast forwarding, you miss all the facts and life consequences. For giggles see NWA pay scales until Delta bought them, then you'll see why our senior MSP peeps would rather make $120k a year with 16 days off than start over as furlough fodder. Also, if you did have children you'd have to consider their future while you go play big boy pilot at 25k a year and no health insurance for the first six months and pay $10 to goto work (worst case scenario). News flash, life experiences change people's perceptions, and if you could walk ten years in our guys shoes you'd see why they made their life choices.

Funny, I wonder how many Comair guys thought the same thing. Look where they are now. Most junior FO will be 12 years and most junior Captain at around 20 years. That worked out for them real well eh? I've seen enough in this industry in my relatively short time to know that I will not spend my career at a regional, feeding another airline. Because once that 'other' airline decides to cut you, your fleet is getting parked.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Funny, I wonder how many Comair guys thought the same thing. Look where they are now. Most junior FO will be 12 years and most junior Captain at around 20 years. That worked out for them real well eh? I've seen enough in this industry in my relatively short time to know that I will not spend my career at a regional, feeding another airline. Because once that 'other' airline decides to cut you, your fleet is getting parked.

And that is your decision, good for you. Now let life take it's course and see if it goes as perfectly as you planned. Then come back here and slam others for how they've decided to live life. Maybe with a little more PIC time you'll figure it out. :-D

 

[jynxyjericho]

And that is your decision, good for you. Now let life take it's course and see if it goes as perfectly as you planned. Then come back here and slam others for how they've decided to live life. Maybe with a little more PIC time you'll figure it out. :-D

I don't know if it's the PIC time he needs, maybe just a few years living out of his parents house or something maturing. What a bizarre group of hypercritical children.

Anyway the pilot shortage is looming (unless oil spikes, terrorist attacks, or a destruction of the middle class), so I'm sure he'll be a 747 capt in no time telling us all how we should have done it .

 

[xjgearbtch]

I don't know if it's the PIC time he needs, maybe just a few years living out of his parents house or something maturing. What a bizarre group of hypercritical children.

Anyway the pilot shortage is looming (unless oil spikes, terrorist attacks, or a destruction of the middle class), so I'm sure he'll be a 747 capt in no time telling us all how we should have done it .

So true, so true.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Always found them to be very respectable. Are you just smug or have you actually had some problem with the Comair pilots?

Only one and he actually washed out of newhire training. My statement was meant as a bit of a joke. Unfortuanately at this point the captains at Comair have been there so long that they have had to trade in their morning coffee for metamucil. Kinda how Mesaba looked during the shamruptcy.

 

[flap operator]

Flyer1015 - There are tons of 10-12 year guys at XJ (the ones that got screwed the most in the SLI) not by choice, but by circumstance. Let's see... flying as an FO for 6-8 years, no turbine PIC time during a hiring boom and our scamruptcy. Finally, post scamruptcy, an upgrade and the opportunity to build PIC turbine time. All just in time for a trickle of hiring to bigger and better things. As for the super senior, as mentioned before... choice schedules, living in base making at least 100K most with families, it isn't hard to figure out why they stayed.

 

[bri5150]

All just in time for a trickle of hiring to bigger and better things.

Let's just hope the trickle becomes a gush for those that want to stay and leave.

 

[Raskal]

Let's just hope the trickle becomes a gush for those that want to stay and leave.

Amen to that

 

[Smarta$$]

Back to the title of this thread. Did you expect anything less from this sh!ty company? Pinnacle has crapped on us all for years. Their decision to run this airline with NO pilots has yet again, affected us negatively with the fences.

Deal with it. You should never have expected anything less around here.

 

[DGdaPilot]

A proper SLI remedy is created when everyone is pissed. Mission accomplished.