Pinnacle Realignment 11-09 delayed

[WIPilot]

Oh I'm not in denial. I've seen the result first hand when 14 of our Captains got downgraded due to a piece of turd called the Bloch award.

You are not in denial, but you surely need to get over it.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Oh I'm not in denial. I've seen the result first hand when 14 of our Captains got downgraded due to a piece of turd called the Bloch award.

That same turd put me from some weekends off lineholder to top reserve.... We really don't want to hear it anymore.

 

[RJLoser]

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[altimaklr]

All this rancor about these bids are overblown.

XJ's - Just be happy you aren't down the Comair road, otherwise you'd have 8yo CA's getting displaced into the 900FO.

9E - Most 9E gained relative seniority. 9E captains who were displaced on the last displacement will have super seniority on this one. 9E FO's... gained relative seniority and about 50% pay increase, but lost their upgrade for a year (that's life). Enjoy 19 days off for another year

9L - Quietly enjoying their windfall seniority and FO's their easy upgrade

 

[RJLoser]

Our FO's got a 50% pay increase?!?!?

 

[xjhawk]

these guys just want to feel like they are special and create a divide between us-preventing us from BEING one pilot group. Some thoughts on whats going on...

We are one seniority list-it does not matter where you are working now or before. Lets try to mold our current situation into the best possible future for us all.

Bloch blows

Pinnacle FO's were not the only ones screwed-try being a 01'-04' MEsaba pilot. We are looking at a lot of pilots with 1/2 our longevity being WAY more senior to us

Bloch put like 10 minutes of thought into the SLI

We do not know where our new leadership team will take us. Will we be one operating certificate or two? I assume they are looking into costs and that will decide the final decision.

ALPA allowed Bloch to let this happen

I hope that as ONE pilot group we can move on and be ONE pilot group. It does not one of us any good to treat each other poorly. Yes, you got screwed-yes I got screwed. There are many senior mesaba guys that made out very well-as well as Colgan pilots-I will treat them all the same. If you brag to me about how well you did on bloch's robbery of my seniority-Gloves are off-fore warned

I am doing my best to get out of here-until then-I will make the best of it

I will be buying a leather jacket

 

[RJLoser]

Was the leather jacket not allowed at XJ?

 

[1.3XVso]

Did SEVEN (dust) get hired at NK?

 

[CptMurf]

Was the leather jacket not allowed at XJ?

Not allowed. Flasher jacket only.

 

[RJLoser]

Not allowed. Flasher jacket only.

You know I always wondered why you all wore that thing. Thought you guys were a little weird. That makes me feel better.

http://www.perroneapparel.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=1

I think you get a discount through the company.

 

[kellwolf]

We are all integrated onto one seniority list. It's time to act like it. That's all I am saying. We are all on one list...Pinnacle Holdings.

With quotas that keep us 3 separate. Well, mostly separate. Now that the -200 is getting staffed properly, we're so over the quota anyone and their grandfather can bid it. Sure, lots of 9E guys gained relative seniority, but it's irrelevant if you can't put it to use.

 

[Flyer1015]

Oh, and I will acknowledge Mesaba's 2000/2001 DOH as being really, really hosed. I've seen them being under Pinnacle pilots hired in 2005/2006. That is BS too. Oh well, I think the Bloch beotching is on hold until 11-09 comes out.

 

[Raskal]

...I am doing my best to get out of here-until then-I will make the best of it...

Amen to that brother.

 

[kellwolf]

Oh, and I will acknowledge Mesaba's 2000/2001 DOH as being really, really hosed. I've seen them being under Pinnacle pilots hired in 2005/2006. That is BS too. Oh well, I think the Bloch beotching is on hold until 11-09 comes out.

Can't disagree with that, however with the quotas in place, they don't see much change in day to day operations. Once the quotas are no longer in place, though, I agree that the seniority numbers in that range are gonna get hosed.

 

[Flyer1015]

Can't disagree with that, however with the quotas in place, they don't see much change in day to day operations. Once the quotas are no longer in place, though, I agree that the seniority numbers in that range are gonna get hosed.

This is true.

 

[xjhawk]

Not allowed. Flasher jacket only.

so what contract are you flying under? I am flying under the one that specifically states that I can have a leather jacket. I looked it up, its in the contract. It's a done deal even it some Mesaba pilots do not like the leather Jacket (oh and get over it, the only reason you do not like leather jackets is because Pinnacle had them approved. Well news flash-you are a pinnacle pilot. We are one group. Wear your cheap, cold, rain soaked, poly flasher coat and I will be happy in my leather jacket

 

[RJLoser]

I think he was referring to the old contract?

 

[CptMurf]

so what contract are you flying under? I am flying under the one that specifically states that I can have a leather jacket. I looked it up, its in the contract. It's a done deal even it some Mesaba pilots do not like the leather Jacket (oh and get over it, the only reason you do not like leather jackets is because Pinnacle had them approved. Well news flash-you are a pinnacle pilot. We are one group. Wear your cheap, cold, rain soaked, poly flasher coat and I will be happy in my leather jacket

Wow hawk, strike a nerve? You are correct, I am a Pinnacle pilot, with an ID and everything. And I have seen nothing but respect since coming over. The line pilots, the instructors, APDs, and management have treated us all well, and as equals. In return, I brought a respect to operate the aircraft the way they want me to. Following their calls, procedures, profiles, and SOP. No attitudes given and none returned.

I agree, the contract states a black leather jacket with epaulets can be worn. Problem is, unless something has changed at Mesaba in the 3 weeks since I left, a decision on the style or vendor has not been made for Mesaba. I assume, and it appears you do to, that it will be the same style and vendor as Pinnacle (which I ordered mine 2 weeks ago & am glad to retire the 13 yr old trench coat). But word has not been passed down by the Corp., company, SD, or the union for that matter, that they can be worn at Mesaba. Until they announce a decision, I would believe the employee handbook reference to the trench would be in place. As is Mesaba tradition though, I'm sure all types of coats will be worn, with the yearly "Don't wear a fleece" memo.

 

[RJLoser]

13 year old trench coat? That thing has to have some serious funk going on. Nasty murph.

 

[CptMurf]

13 year old trench coat? That thing has to have some serious funk going on. Nasty murph.

Ya can clean them ya know.