Pinnacle pilots can't bid Saab Captain...

[higney85]

Honestly, I am ready to move on. They are all Pinnacle reps now. Let's do this.

I'm game. Let's first ask to get an LOA not requiring a secondary to every displacement. This is about to get ugly when the more senior bases close the saab operation.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I'm game. Let's first ask to get an LOA not requiring a secondary to every displacement. This is about to get ugly when the more senior bases close the saab operation.

No thanks, I am sick of being at the bottom of the list with now 600 additional people able to keep me there... I'm ready to go back to a prop for a few months.

 

[higney85]

No thanks, I am sick of being at the bottom of the list with now 600 additional people able to keep me there... I'm ready to go back to a prop for a few months.

You won't even be able to get to a prop base before it's closed.

 

[DoinTime]

Mesaba added the LGA base to their MEM council for the votes. Our MEM base is bigger than XJ's strictly MEM base. Good political move.

Not really a good move at all. Had they left LGA with their DTW council, they Would have won DTW and its massive pilot population. Now, because the Mesaba MEC focused their efforts on MEM, they have succeeded in capturing a much smaller piece of the pie than what they could have had.

Not to mention the "new" MEM CA rep is vacating MEM on this recent award. Who is going to run next? The next election will be minus MEM/LGA SF34 pilots contributing to the vote.

 

[Flyer1015]

Yet when THEIR OWN autonomous group dick$ something up royally, they complain that national didn't fix it for them.

This merger was doomed for pinnacle pilots the moment they forced this to go to binding arbitration by refusing to agree to a reasonable integration through mutual negotiations.

Pinnacle pilots dicked it up,

Another thing I hate is you can never get the truth. You say this, and I don't doubt you. But if you ask the 9E committee, I'm sure you'll hear the complete opposite. In a situation like this, where's the truth? Where's the proof? Obviously, someone d*cked up. It'd be nice to know who was the behind it.

 

[Flyer1015]

Look at the most junior Mesaba pilot awarded a DTW-200 Captain position, initials KW a MEM Saab FO hired in May 2007?! Our guys just got downgraded from the -200 that were hired in March 2007. What a major ****-up!

 

[DoinTime]

This merger was doomed for pinnacle pilots the moment they forced this to go to binding arbitration by refusing to agree to a reasonable integration through mutual negotiations.

Are you suggesting that all three parties were capable of agreeing to a "reasonable" integration? Just what was reasonable?

The negotiation phase of the SLI was a joke and at least two of the three parties proved they had no intention of ever moving off their most desired outcomes. The process should have just gone straight to arbitration.

 

[DoinTime]

Look at the most junior Mesaba pilot awarded a DTW-200 Captain position, initials KW a MEM Saab FO hired in May 2007?! Our guys just got downgraded from the -200 that were hired in March 2007. What a major ****-up!

I'm guessing that the Saab FO was senior to the displaced 9E CA (hire dates and actual position held are irrelevant in the SLI in case you hadn't heard)?

 

[DoinTime]

Another thing I hate is you can never get the truth. You say this, and I don't doubt you. But if you ask the 9E committee, I'm sure you'll hear the complete opposite. In a situation like this, where's the truth? Where's the proof? Obviously, someone d*cked up. It'd be nice to know who was the behind it.

So you are saying that you give equal credibility to anonymous Internet message board posters as you do to official sources? Tell me you are joking?

Nobody dicked up, the process is engineered to make sure everyone feels like they got screwed. Judging from the sentiment from PCL and XJ pilots, the process worked as designed. Those who think someone screwed them over on purpose or through incompetence are only trying to place blame. The only blame lies with Trenary for putting us all on this path to start with.

 

[CptMurf]

Are you suggesting that all three parties were capable of agreeing to a "reasonable" integration? Just what was reasonable?

The negotiation phase of the SLI was a joke and at least two of the three parties proved they had no intention of ever moving off their most desired outcomes. The process should have just gone straight to arbitration.

I believe they could have come to a deal, and a better one than our current situation. It would have been a hard negotiation, no doubt. But, the end result most likely would have been a more fair method to individuals across the ISL, instead of groups of pilots on each premerger list having huge gains and losses to try to make it seem fair for the premerger group as a whole. The hard line negotiator stances don't bother me. The attitude of one negotiating committee to just force it to arbitration does. Total lack of responsibility to the pilots they represent. I've even heard that this committee proposed a cruise ship as a meeting place for ISL negotiations, now who are they looking out for with a proposal like that?

 

[sinkrate]

Not really a good move at all. Had they left LGA with their DTW council, they Would have won DTW and its massive pilot population. Now, because the Mesaba MEC focused their efforts on MEM, they have succeeded in capturing a much smaller piece of the pie than what they could have had.

Not to mention the "new" MEM CA rep is vacating MEM on this recent award. Who is going to run next? The next election will be minus MEM/LGA SF34 pilots contributing to the vote.

MEC officers are elected on 'on man, one vote'. There are no roll call votes for officer elections.

 

[Smarta$$]

Not really a good move at all. Had they left LGA with their DTW council, they Would have won DTW and its massive pilot population. Now, because the Mesaba MEC focused their efforts on MEM, they have succeeded in capturing a much smaller piece of the pie than what they could have had.

Not to mention the "new" MEM CA rep is vacating MEM on this recent award. Who is going to run next? The next election will be minus MEM/LGA SF34 pilots contributing to the vote.

Why would you want prior 9E MEM reps anyway. They were the biggest cancer within 9E to begin with. You want more of THAT?

 

[Smarta$$]

Another thing I hate is you can never get the truth. You say this, and I don't doubt you. But if you ask the 9E committee, I'm sure you'll hear the complete opposite. In a situation like this, where's the truth? Where's the proof? Obviously, someone d*cked up. It'd be nice to know who was the behind it.

Well, it is common knowledge that Mesaba had DOH on the table from day one. That is very reasonable. Could have prevented the entire Bloch disaster.

Are you still confused?

 

[Smarta$$]

Are you suggesting that all three parties were capable of agreeing to a "reasonable" integration? Just what was reasonable?

The negotiation phase of the SLI was a joke and at least two of the three parties proved they had no intention of ever moving off their most desired outcomes. The process should have just gone straight to arbitration.

Whether it went straight to arbitration, or went to arbitration a few months later, the outcome would have been nearly the same. Are you happy with the outcome of arbitration? I ask if you are happy since you suggest it should have gone to arbitration imediately...

(Since I know that you are NOT satisfied with Bloch's decision, maybe you should have considered Mesaba's "most desired outcome". You would have looked FAR better to the arbitrator if it had gone to arbitration, or you would have had a deal at the table that would have ultimately been better for the majority of 9E pilots, and had some good pressure to put on Colgan to agree to something more reasonable.)

 

[Smarta$$]

So you are saying that you give equal credibility to anonymous Internet message board posters as you do to official sources? Tell me you are joking?

Nobody dicked up, the process is engineered to make sure everyone feels like they got screwed. Judging from the sentiment from PCL and XJ pilots, the process worked as designed. Those who think someone screwed them over on purpose or through incompetence are only trying to place blame. The only blame lies with Trenary for putting us all on this path to start with.

I spent more than 5 years at Pinnacle, through the ENTIRE integration process. You are WAY off base saying that our group did't dick this up. They did, big time. 9E over-reached with pilots saying "we bought them", "they ran their company into the ground", "use the LOA", and so on.

Pinnacle pilots did't play nice, and they got bit hard. Don't try and re-write history.

 

[Flyer1015]

So you are saying that you give equal credibility to anonymous Internet message board posters as you do to official sources? Tell me you are joking?

Nobody dicked up, the process is engineered to make sure everyone feels like they got screwed. Judging from the sentiment from PCL and XJ pilots, the process worked as designed. Those who think someone screwed them over on purpose or through incompetence are only trying to place blame. The only blame lies with Trenary for putting us all on this path to start with.

Well, considering the aboslute silence of the 3 PCL merger committee members, I'm gonna have to say yeah, I'll take the credibility of the messages here. At least I get some information here. It is nothing but chirping crickets on the PCL side of things. And someone did d*ck this up, there is no way Bloch would have intentionally screwed one group (Pinnacle) unless he had a good reason to do so. If we truly are fenced from the Saabs, and from all looks of it we are, then something must have really pushed him off the cliff to do that to the Pinnacle group. Given that both XJ and 9L pretty much had the same standing viewpoint from day 1, I can only guess that the 9E group is the one that went off the far side. And 9E's side has done nothing to come to light. For example, only after Colgan's committee released the final views submitted for each group did Pinnacle's committee members finally step out and confirm the truth.

 

[fowingman]

Hahaha the kw that was mentioned a few replies earlier , is a total looser, and on top or that got downgraded himself , or I should say forced to downgrade due to shi..y CFM skills. Ask any MEM pilot.. They know him. It's Not that he cant stick fly, it's that he can't be mature enough to communicate with others. Boy 9e sure has something coming with him. I hope they dont feel that Mesaba is full of westies.He is a train wreck! Should never have been captain, and never be one again.

 

[Flyer1015]

Hahaha the kw that was mentioned a few replies earlier , is a total looser, and on top or that got downgraded himself , or I should say forced to downgrade due to shi..y CFM skills. Ask any MEM pilot.. They know him. It's Not that he cant stick fly, it's that he can't be mature enough to communicate with others. Boy 9e sure has something coming with him. I hope they dont feel that Mesaba is full of westies.He is a train wreck! Should never have been captain, and never be one again.

Just wait til he flies with a Pinnacle pilot hired before him that has been downgraded as a result of, well, the Mesaba displacement. Yeah, yeah, we're all professionals, yeah, we're "above" acting childish or taking it personal. But anyone saying that hasn't been in a cockpit jumpseat observing the whole US Air/ AWA debacle. WOW.

 

[fowingman]

Very true. But what should an xj pilot do? Not bid a crj 200 spot despite having the seniority to hold it? Really?

 

[LearLove]

not very original. the nazi video was already used (months/years prior) in SWA, DAL and JB parodies.