Pinnacle pilots can do better

[altimaklr]

Why don't you guys take the cat-fight private? No one wants to listen to it.

 

[buscap]

Why don't you guys take the cat-fight private? No one wants to listen to it.

You getting audio on this thing?

Where's the link or button for that?

 

[redflyer65]

I agree.

Let's turn this back to the PCL TA. Any other thoughts..

 

[buscap]

I agree.

Let's turn this back to the PCL TA. Any other thoughts..

maybe........Mesa sucks????

 

[Flyer1015]

The impact of over 60 guys coming back will be worse than you think. I have a buddy at UPS who has really been bent over by that one.

Dude, there is a serious difference between a UPS guy returning to UPS after age 60 and working until 65, than a Pinnacle guy returing. Why the eff would anyone come back to Pinnacle?!?!

If coming back to Pinnacle after retirement is your best and only career choice, you might as well kill yourself.

Don't worry, unlike UPS, Pinnacle will not have any age 60+ pilots returning.

 

[Flyer1015]

And don't get me wrong, it's a sh*tty TA, but it will pass. Just watch.

 

[20sx]

It's quite possible some over 60 will return, but I don't think it would be a meaningful amount. Well, it might matter to Joe

 

[Jack-O-Lantern]

Joe, you are spot on. Be thankful there are only but just a few that need to be woken up!

As far as this Pinnacle TA, all I can say is Wow! Are you serious?

 

[b19]

Think you're having a bad day, watch their video, working at Amerijet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFMLh_tZtM

 

[JoeMerchant]

In other words, you're a quitter. Glad we cleared that up.

Not a quiter...Just persuing different avenues. The only thing I quit was supporting ALPA...I still support ASA/Skywest and improving things here...I quit believing that this cult like ALPA will protect us....

Airing dirty laundry in public is not solution to any problem. Things should be handled internally. But they need to be handled.

So you don't support transperancy? I've been through ALPA leadership training as have you....You are parroting the ALPA position...That creates situations like what you now have at PCL...The pilots had no idea that things were so dysfunctional behind the scenes and that you were partially to blame for that dysfunction.

The only people that don't want the dirty laundry aired are those who have something to hide, and those who are more concerned about protecting the mighty ALPA institution...

The seniority grab that you attempted has killed virtually any hope of bringing both parties together. The RJDC did more to destroy mainline/regional relations than anything else. And you were one of its founding "officers."

What "seniority grab" are you referring to? Are you referring to the PID that both BA and DN supported? I thought you respected them? How did the RJDC destroy mainline/regional relations?

The solution is being involved and working towards resolving problems rather than just attacking at every opportunity.

That isn't a specific solution....Tell me what you envision as your perfect solution and how does it directly affect the senior "lifers" at ASA/CMR/Skywest? Specifics please....not more nebulous ALPA feel good talk......

 

[buscap]

Not a quiter...


So you don't support transperancy? I've been through ALPA leadership training as have you....You are parroting the ALPA position...That creates situations like what you now have at PCL...The pilots had no idea that things were so dysfunctional behind the scenes and that you were partially to blame for that dysfunction.

The only people that don't want the dirty laundry aired are those who have something to hide, and those who are more concerned about protecting the mighty ALPA institution...

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Joe,

None of my GD business, but I've seen this tree barked up before and I can understand where the dogs are headed. It is a legitimate critique against anyone who can't "play."

Any organization, wether it be legislative or executive, must have a certain degree of 'privelage.' It's that simple, in particular when one of the functions of that organization is to conduct negotiations.

Negotiation by definition is two parties telling lies to one another. Party A can't effectively lie to party B, if party B already knows what the facts are behind party A's negotiation position, because the sub-parties of A have aired out their own dirty laundry. It really is that simple.

Of course the result of this is corruption and deception within party A's organization due to internal politics. It really is that simple.

When you hire someone to negotiate on your behalf, you are paying them to lie, cheat and steal on your behalf. They are no good to you if they are not capable of this. But then you should not be really suprised when you find out that they are capable of telling you lies, cheating you, and stealing from you. It really is that simple.

If someone is not capable of working within the 'united front' (even though false) parameters required in order to allow negotiators to be the deceptive bustards we pay them to be, then that person should not be part of that organization.

In other words...dots for pause....if you can't properly slit throats....get off the pirate ship...because you are no good to us!!!

And don't take it personally. Not everybody is good at cutting throats the way party A wants it done.

 

[PCL_128]

Not a quiter

Beg to differ.

So you don't support transperancy? I've been through ALPA leadership training as have you....You are parroting the ALPA position...

That's because the ALPA position is correct. What you advocate would create absolute chaos and give management exactly what they want.

What "seniority grab" are you referring to? Are you referring to the PID that both BA and DN supported? I thought you respected them? How did the RJDC destroy mainline/regional relations?

That isn't a specific solution....Tell me what you envision as your perfect solution and how does it directly affect the senior "lifers" at ASA/CMR/Skywest? Specifics please....not more nebulous ALPA feel good talk......

This thread isn't the place for that lengthy debate.