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[WWEfan]

This is too rich....The KING of ALPA cheerleaders claims he didn't know this was TA'd under his watch...and he blames us ALPA sceptics on our problems...You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried....

PCL_128...YOU are what is wrong with ALPA and this industry....Not the line pilots who pay your full time ALPA leave...

Indeed, Joe. Irresponsible at best. I'd venture to say negligent and/or reckless.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Indeed, Joe. Irresponsible at best. I'd venture to say negligent and/or reckless.

I'm used to it from ALPA folks...but what really gets me is the fact that PCL_128 gets on here and constantly blames you and I for the failures of ALPA....All the while he didn't even realize what was going on at PCL while he was an ALPA rep...Now he is on full time leave as an ALPA rep at Air Tran...

I'm sorry...but I've seen too much of this within ALPA....

 

[PCL_128]

Joe, you'll never hear me say that our system at PCL was working. It was a mess. I tried twice to get rid of the former MEC Chairman who was creating this environment, but was unsuccessful. And ironically, some of the reps who voted against this TA were the same ones that didn't support my efforts to get rid of the former MEC Chairman.

Blame me if you wish, but I tried to fix it.

 

[redflyer65]

Maybe some have seen the error of their ways, although it might be a little late at this point.

 

[dondk]

This is too rich....The KING of ALPA cheerleaders claims he didn't know this was TA'd under his watch...and he blames us ALPA sceptics on our problems...You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried....

PCL_128...YOU are what is wrong with ALPA and this industry....Not the line pilots who pay your full time ALPA leave...

Joe,

IF (and you would not want to) you worked at 9E you would not be surprised this was slipped by. Seeing the response of the pilots and the silence of many of the PNCL MEC members say volumes.

The fun is going to begin if the TA gets voted down. The sham is over, rhetoric, lies and propaganda yields a 4+ year "turd". It is the failure of ALPA? I don't think so, it is the failure of the PNCL leadership or lack thereof.

 

[Flyprdu]

Joe,

IF (and you would not want to) you worked at 9E you would not be surprised this was slipped by. Seeing the response of the pilots and the silence of many of the PNCL MEC members say volumes.

The fun is going to begin if the TA gets voted down. The sham is over, rhetoric, lies and propaganda yields a 4+ year "turd". It is the failure of ALPA? I don't think so, it is the failure of the PNCL leadership or lack thereof.

That's the best thing I have heard all night. It really is clear that they cannot hide anymore. I have always had my suspicions, but this TA only confirms the gross negligence that has been happening.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, you'll never hear me say that our system at PCL was working. It was a mess. I tried twice to get rid of the former MEC Chairman who was creating this environment, but was unsuccessful. And ironically, some of the reps who voted against this TA were the same ones that didn't support my efforts to get rid of the former MEC Chairman.

Blame me if you wish, but I tried to fix it.

All I've heard from you is that ALPA and Obama are great and wonderful, and it is people like me that are to blame....You got your Obama NMB, and you were a member of the PNCL MEC when this happened....You are the one to blame...Quit blaiming the people who pay for your full time ALPA leave...

Save the pitty story of how things were in your MEC.....I've seen it here at ASA long before you wrote your check to Gulfstream to sit in the right seat....long before you questioned my involvement...

ALPA is failure...the first step is admitting you have a problem...You're almost there....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe,

IF (and you would not want to) you worked at 9E you would not be surprised this was slipped by. Seeing the response of the pilots and the silence of many of the PNCL MEC members say volumes.

I have no desire to work for PNCL....I would much rather work for non-union Skwest....I'm not the least bit surprised...I've seen the same thing at ASA...Politics is an ugly business, and PCL_128 is the poster child!

 

[PCL_128]

All I've heard from you is that ALPA and Obama are great and wonderful, and it is people like me that are to blame....You got your Obama NMB, and you were a member of the PNCL MEC when this happened....You are the one to blame...Quit blaiming the people who pay for your full time ALPA leave...

Save the pitty story of how things were in your MEC.....I've seen it here at ASA long before you wrote your check to Gulfstream to sit in the right seat....long before you questioned my involvement...

ALPA is failure...the first step is admitting you have a problem...You're almost there....

Whatever you say, Joey.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Whatever you say, Joey.

You are twice as effective in half the time... this forum is the only way he can get attention..... ignore the clown and he'll stop performing....

 

[buscap]

I have no desire to work for PNCL....I would much rather work for non-union Skwest....I'm not the least bit surprised...I've seen the same thing at ASA...Politics is an ugly business, and PCL_128 is the poster child!

Careful what you wish for Joe!!!

Non-union Skywest may need someone to clean crappers!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

Whatever you say, Joey.

It's not what I say...It's what you say....ALPA is the "Emporer that has No Clothes"...

You can't even refute what I said.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

You are twice as effective in half the time... this forum is the only way he can get attention..... ignore the clown and he'll stop performing....

He didn't even know what was going on with his own CNC when he was a PCL MEC member...That's by his own admission...This forum and others are the only thing that keep you ALPA clowns somewhat in line...That's why you can't stand these forums...ALPA has hated the internet since the Compuserve forums.....Where you there for those?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Careful what you wish for Joe!!!

Non-union Skywest may need someone to clean crappers!!!

Are you really that afraid of Skywest and so smitten by ALPA....Here is the king ALPA cheerleader admitting he had no idea what was going on during his watch....He is the one that told everyone that voting for Obama would make everything better....He is the one that told everyone to believe in ALPA....Then this turd of a TA comes down the pike....Whoops!

Why are you such a true believer? I was at one time...and I was wrong...What's your excuse?

 

[PCL_128]

It's not what I say...It's what you say....ALPA is the "Emporer that has No Clothes"...

You can't even refute what I said.....

I'm not even sure what you're saying. You're speaking mostly gibberish. As I've always said, Joey, ALPA is the collection of resources, but resources don't do you much good without proper leadership. Successful unions need two things: good leaders and proper resources. Independent unions can have good leaders, but they'll still fail because they can't provide the resources. ALPA provides all of the resources that you can ever need, but you have to have the proper leaders to get things done.

I'm sure Rez remembers when I was trying to get a new MEC Chairman elected at PCL. I and the Council 128 Captain Rep were not happy with how negotiations were being handled, and how the MEC was being run in general, and we tried our damnedest to get a new MEC Chairman. Unfortunately, the other reps weren't willing to pull the trigger. Now, nearly 3 years later, we see the results of that failure. Such a shame.

 

[nonstop]

-Airport reserve was reduced to 9 hours

REDUCED to NINE HOURS? What the hell is it now? I remember having to do that at XJT for five hours and just about pulling my hair out after the fourth hour. I think I'd rather spend 14 hours roofing than 9 hours sitting at the airport.

 

[dondk]

-No pilot can be taken below the contractual min days off any more. That was the single most common complaint of junior pilots

They can only tag you for an assignment immediately following a trip.

I went back and read this again. As I understand your argument with the language for JA's, 10-11 day off line holders cannot be JA'd. Although, the 12-18 day off line holders CAN be JA'd. That would be a junior assignment that is really not going to the most junior pilot.

What protection is there for those pilots that are NOT the most junior?

 

[dondk]

ALPA has hated the internet since the Compuserve forums.....Where you there for those?

there you did it... now I feel old!

I remember the compuserve forums, not too sure about the ALPA one's. Wasn't it something else?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I'm not even sure what you're saying. You're speaking mostly gibberish.

I said you trumpet ALPA and Obama as the saviors of the industry and the saviors of our pay and workrule....Neither helped the PCL pilots and even you were surprised by some of the results that happened while you were an MEC member...Is that "gibberish" or is it something you don't want to address and you simply label it "gibberish".

As I've always said, Joey, ALPA is the collection of resources, but resources don't do you much good without proper leadership. Successful unions need two things: good leaders and proper resources. Independent unions can have good leaders, but they'll still fail because they can't provide the resources. ALPA provides all of the resources that you can ever need, but you have to have the proper leaders to get things done.

YOU were part of that leadership...YOU failed! There are very few "leaders" in ALPA...mostly followers....YOU are a follower...I've been thru ALPA leadership training as have you...They teach you to fight behind closed doors and come out unified...You know that, and you followed that...I don't believe in that, and that is why I was shunned....If you disagreed, you should have made that public...If you didn't, then you are part of the problem.

I'm sure Rez remembers when I was trying to get a new MEC Chairman elected at PCL. I and the Council 128 Captain Rep were not happy with how negotiations were being handled, and how the MEC was being run in general, and we tried our damnedest to get a new MEC Chairman. Unfortunately, the other reps weren't willing to pull the trigger. Now, nearly 3 years later, we see the results of that failure. Such a shame.

Did you go public with that? Did you take it to the message boards? Did you publically tell this to the pilots? If not, why not?

 

[JoeMerchant]

there you did it... now I feel old!

Me too...What are you still doing at a "regional" then...ALPA and PCL_128 say you should have moved on by this point.

I remember the compuserve forums, not too sure about the ALPA one's. Wasn't it something else?

ALPA hated the first Compuserve message boards....That's where the first dissention started...It's been all down hill since then....Compuserve and AOL message boards started all the trouble making....ALPA would just prefer that we simply agree with them and send them money....uke: