Pinnacle named "The Worst Airline to Work For"

[RJLoser]

Wow. It's like talking to a six year old. Good luck with everything.

 

[bri5150]

Wow. It's like talking to a six year old. Good luck with everything.

Why do most of these discussions end with a 9E guy calling a Mesaba guy a name?

 

[RJLoser]

My apologies. Good luck my friend. Whether you see it or not...we are going to be in this together. I'm just tired of all the XJ hatred for my pilot group.

 

[bri5150]

My apologies. Good luck my friend. Whether you see it or not...we are going to be in this together. I'm just tired of all the XJ hatred for my pilot group.

I know we are going to be in this together. The "hatred" is just response to the crap we have been hearing from your pilot group for the past year. I guess we haven't reached our Stockholm Syndrom yet. You're probably right. We should have just sat in the corner and taken the beating and liked the people beating us.

 

[jynxyjericho]

Again, you missed the point. You guys skew information. That's my point. I skewed the information to make my point. Get it?!?!

Skew - To give a bias to; distort.

Unfortunately any information presented is going to have bias, the readers have to decide for themselves the validity of those facts. Sometimes the writers may not even realize the bias they put in. At some point you have to let the reader decide for themselves man.

It feels like, to me, you are simply changing the discussion to something else as quickly as possible in the hopes of salvaging the situation. Kinda like losing a drag race and saying, "See I was just proving to you the entire time how badly you speed on this road!". In this case we were discussing an article that appeared ranking Pinnacle as the worst airline to work for, which you changed into a psuedo- accident investigation. Why? I don't know. All I see is a thread started about an article written about how crap of a company bought ours, and it turned into a safety record review, followed by you changing your mind and turning it into Mesaba posters on this board being "too biased".

I can't keep up man, stay on topic.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Once again, this thread sounds like a bunch of little whiny b!tches arguing back and forth...

 

[bri5150]

Once again, this thread sounds like a bunch of little whiny b!tches arguing back and forth...

Once again, a Pinnacle pilot posts nothing but name calling.

 

[rene]

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-worst-airline-to-work-for-2011-6


I would have thought Mesa would of been at the bottom. Nope. I guess there's always hope for the future. Hopefully the contract Mesaba provided will boost moral in the pilot group.

I wish you would stop bashing Mesa based on ancient history.

Mesa really has become a very good company to work for, it is the best regional by far based on operating results. Best regional in both United and Airways system, and with very high seniority we make industry best pay.

If you don't believe me, just check the DOT data.

Rene

 

[Flyer1015]

Now this has just boiled down to who's got the bigger male part. Alright Mesaba, you're bigger. Happy?

Lets put this behind us and just move on, nothing to see here.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Now this has just boiled down to who's got the bigger male part. Alright Mesaba, you're bigger. Happy?

Lets put this behind us and just move on, nothing to see here.

No, not until you tell me I'm pretty...

 

[big shacks]

Agree...Now can we work on our flight bennies..absolutely embarrassing. Any Delta guys want to lend me a buddy pass so my parents can get out of OGG. Geeze!!!

 

[jynxyjericho]

No, not until you tell me I'm pretty...

You're just as pretty as the other kids in your class.

 

[CX880]

It's like watching a couple of prostitues going at it.

 

[redflyer65]

Do I have to pay for both, or just the one that wins?

 

[johnpeace]

I shudder to think where ASA would rank had we been included in the survey...

 

[FLYLOW22]

You should try riding on them.

 

[relief tube]

how did virgin rank so high?

Thats some strong kool-aid....b/c they get paid absolute dick

 

[Flyer1015]

“It seems as though they were just clueless,” says Mike Doerr, a former Airbus A320 captain who charters private jets in California. “The response to the invalid speed data doesn't make any sense unless they also had a Mach warning (that the plane was going faster than its mechanical limits).”

and

Doerr said he doubted that American pilots, who typically come from military backgrounds, would have been overwhelmed. “The European airlines select people with virtually no flight time at all and train them pretty much from the ground up,” he said.

LOL! Would Doerr like a list of ex-military pilot fatal accidents at US legacy carriers?

“They are 'company babies' who rise up through the organisation. Whereas if you get your experience in the navy or air force, there's an emphasis on trial by fire.”

This article is just pathetic. They got a wall street anaylst expert telling us what they did wrong?

The title of the article is smearing dead men who are not here to defend themselves. There is nothing "baby" about them. They were qualified First Officers, one of them with over 6,000 hours and the other about 3,000 hours. It's sad we are allowing media to define "baby" as anything less than Sully...

 

[SEVEN]

I wish you would stop bashing Mesa based on ancient history.

Mesa really has become a very good company to work for, it is the best regional by far based on operating results. Best regional in both United and Airways system, and with very high seniority we make industry best pay.

If you don't believe me, just check the DOT data.

Rene

Good one..... You almost had me for a minute there.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I wish you would stop bashing Mesa based on ancient history.

Mesa really has become a very good company to work for, it is the best regional by far based on operating results. Best regional in both United and Airways system, and with very high seniority we make industry best pay.

If you don't believe me, just check the DOT data.

Rene

Time to step away from the crack pipe!!

 

[nerjdriver]

http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-the-worst-airline-to-work-for-2011-6


I would have thought Mesa would of been at the bottom. Nope. I guess there's always hope for the future. Hopefully the contract Mesaba provided will boost moral in the pilot group.

Im confused. I was just told by a Colgan jumpseater last week that they have set the new industry standard with their contract!

 

[Simon Says]

I did. The numbers dont lie my friend. Mesaba= more incidents and accidents.

Epic Pinnacle. This exert is from the MKE accident.



The airplane departed the left side of the runway about 4,600 feet from the approach end of runway 1L. The airplane veered across the grass infield before crossing runway 07R/25L. The airplane traveled through the intersection of taxiways A, E, and T before crossing another snow-covered grass in-field where the aircraft went through a snow bank and onto taxiway B. The airplane stopped near the intersection of taxiway B and M in front of concourse D.

The captain reported that nothing appeared to be wrong with the airplane so the decision was made to taxi to gate E64. The captain reported to ATC that the braking action was "very poor." Then when queried by ATC, the captain reported the braking action was, "Extremely poor. NIL." The flight crew received progressive taxi instructions and taxied to the gate where the passengers were deplaned via the airstairs instead of the jet bridge.

This freak departed the runway into the grass then onto another runway...departed that runway into the grass and then finally coming to rest on a taxi way. OK, OK, I can understand that with braking action NIL, But then he taxied to the gate. LOL, I just gotta say Epic Pinnacle.

 

[Simon Says]

BTW, that report on Pinnacle doesn't mention Express I. Anyone on here remeber BJI??? Anyone? Anyone?

Or how about the 2 rampies running into turning props. Granted, not the pilots fault, but still considered accidents with 1 fatality.

Mesaba has been around for 65 years with the same name. Pinnacles name has been around for only 10 years, but it is the same company as Express I.

 

[xjgearbtch]

BTW, that report on Pinnacle doesn't mention Express I. Anyone on here remeber BJI??? Anyone? Anyone?

Or how about the 2 rampies running into turning props. Granted, not the pilots fault, but still considered accidents with 1 fatality.

Mesaba has been around for 65 years with the same name. Pinnacles name has been around for only 10 years, but it is the same company as Express I.

That was Hibbing. There's a cross built where the plane hit. You can see it on final approach. That crash devistated that small town.

 

[RJLoser]

Very classy XJ.

 

[Flyprdu]

You know what's funny... all these XJ guys, Guess what your employee badge is going to say next month:

PINNACLE AIRLINES.

Welcome aboard.

 

[Inconceivable]

BTW, that report on Pinnacle doesn't mention Express I. Anyone on here remeber BJI??? Anyone? Anyone?

Or how about the 2 rampies running into turning props. Granted, not the pilots fault, but still considered accidents with 1 fatality.

Mesaba has been around for 65 years with the same name. Pinnacles name has been around for only 10 years, but it is the same company as Express I.

Actually that was Express II.

 

[bri5150]

Very classy XJ.

Seriously? You are the one that linked the report he copied and pasted and said Mesaba had more incidents/accidents than Pinnacle.

 

[RJLoser]

Seriously? You are the one that linked the report he copied and pasted and said Mesaba had more incidents/accidents than Pinnacle.

Negative. I posted that Mesaba has had more incidents and accidents than 9E which is correct. Your coworkers are talking about a different crash in Hibbing. Better check your facts before you go off half cocked.

 

[bri5150]

Negative. I posted that Mesaba has had more incidents and accidents than 9E which is correct. Your coworkers are talking about a different crash in Hibbing. Better check your facts before you go off half cocked.