Pinnacle is Going Bye Bye!

[Lear70]

Why are the CRJ-900 pay rates so ********************ty for Pinnacle?

Because they were IMPOSED by PCL management.

Under the terms of the contract, the rate was REQUIRED to be negotiated BEFORE the aircraft could be flown. PCL wanted existing 50-seat rates, the MEC refused, so PCL management just deliberately violated the contract and put them on anyway.

There was a grievance over it, the pilots won and then, just like the Colgan grievance (which the PCL MEC also won), the company just ignored it and is appealing the ruling while continuing to do what they want.

PCL management has always pretty much done whatever they want, regardless of who it affects or how, and will only do the right thing when forced by the legal system.

 

[veneratio]

Because they were IMPOSED by PCL management.

Under the terms of the contract, the rate was REQUIRED to be negotiated BEFORE the aircraft could be flown. PCL wanted existing 50-seat rates, the MEC refused, so PCL management just deliberately violated the contract and put them on anyway.

There was a grievance over it, the pilots won and then, just like the Colgan grievance (which the PCL MEC also won), the company just ignored it and is appealing the ruling while continuing to do what they want.

PCL management has always pretty much done whatever they want, regardless of who it affects or how, and will only do the right thing when forced by the legal system.

Ohh ok, IC... PCL management are a bunch of scub bags!!!

 

[Poahi]

Build them up and tear them down. Anderson is an expert at that.

Delta. Greek for bully.

 

[Raskal]

Build them up and tear them down. Anderson is an expert at that.

Delta. Greek for bully.

Well said. To base it on on-time numbers is even funnier, I'd love to know who can run on time out of that ghetto ATL anyway...even DL's numbers out of there are lower than elsewhere. We'll see, this reeks of a play-the whipsaw is out in full force.

Good luck to the 9E guys that took ATL-I have a friend that's a 900 CA I haven't talked to yet, hope there are options for you guys.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Hopefully these 900s are replaced by mainline planes.

Why? What would they be replaced with and what would it pay? These are airplanes just like any other.....it was ALPA/APA that decided some are "mainline" and some are "regional"....

As an ASA MEC insider....you are starting to show your true colors.....To bad that DAL interview didn't work out too well for you.....

 

[DwayneWorthless]

I'm pretty sure these planes are owned by 9E. They're not coming to ASA or SKYW.

Yes, they are owned by 9E
N-number : N162PQAircraft Serial Number : 15162
Aircraft Manufacturer : BOMBARDIER INC
Model : CL600-2D24
Engine Manufacturer : GE
Model : CF34-8C5
Aircraft Year : 2008
Owner Name : PINNACLE AIRLINES INC
Owner Address : 1689 NONCONNAH BLVD STE 111
MEMPHIS, TN, 38132-2111
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 01-Feb-2008
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Hopefully these 900s are replaced by mainline planes.

Absolutely! We must put higher paid pilots in airplanes these days. Times may be tough for the rest of America, but Legacy pilots must be paid more. They're worth it. Pay your dues.

 

[flyf15]

Yes, they are owned by 9E
N-number : N162PQAircraft Serial Number : 15162
Aircraft Manufacturer : BOMBARDIER INC
Model : CL600-2D24
Engine Manufacturer : GE
Model : CF34-8C5
Aircraft Year : 2008
Owner Name : PINNACLE AIRLINES INC
Owner Address : 1689 NONCONNAH BLVD STE 111
MEMPHIS, TN, 38132-2111
Type of Owner : Corporation
Registration Date : 01-Feb-2008
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard
Approved Operations : Transport

Weird, not Pinnacle Airlines Corp?

 

[PinnacleDude]

Well, ExpressJet have pretty good numbers for Delta and now we can negotiate an even better agreement since CAL dropped all the restrictions...

I think this goes to show that pilot cost is not the biggest factor. Due to Pinnacle's outdated contract, they were cheaper than just about everyone. Guess that didn't matter....

With that said, I would much rather see Comair, ASA, Expressjet (AKA good unionized carrier) get the flying.

 

[Redan]

I thought we already had the shell of the program in place from when we were slated to get the original 900s? What all would have to be done to get the program up and goin? And who owns those 900s?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79%N1
Ding Ding! We have a winner!

Plus, don't you know....Skywest already has a 900 program in place. Starting one at ASA would just be too expensive now!


I know the value of a good rumour as much as anyone. However, my IP friend reports they have been told ASA is going to complete 900 certification in the near future.

 

[WalterSobchak]

What routes did PNCL fly the -900 on?

As far as the whole "Pinnacle own's the -900's" thing goes....sure, but I bet they could sell and transfer those suckers to whoever gets that flying in a heartbeat. All ya gotta change is the "operated by:" decal on the nose.

Look for this flying to go to SkyWest or maybe, just maybe, ASA...

 

[wms]

ASA was building a -900 program until they went to SKYW. When BH got here he got it spooled-up again. If things happen it'll happen fast, and he wants us to be able to move quickly.

 

[boknowsASA]

This is off DLNET:

We have notified Pinnacle Airlines of our election to terminate its Delta Connection contract effective July 31 because of performance. We expect the operational pull down to be orderly and have minimal impact to our customers.
“Our customers rely on Delta and Delta Connection carriers for outstanding service, and we will continue to insist on that level of performance from our business partners,” said Don Bornhorst, s.v.p.-Delta Connection. “Pinnacle’s operational performance has fallen below minimum levels required under the contract. Today, it’s more important than ever that Delta and its Delta Connection partners meet operational and customer service levels.”
We have an agreement with Pinnacle to operate 16 CRJ-900 aircraft, nine of which are in service. We’ll choose another connection carrier to operate the former Pinnacle routes.
Pinnacle has operated as a Delta Connection carrier since December 2007.

 

[boknowsASA]

Taken from DLNET: 9E operated to these locations while in ATL some of them they dont operate to anymore.

BHM,BUF,CLT,CZM,GSP,HOU,HSV,IAD,IAH,MCI,MEM,MKE,PIT,PLS,RIC,SAT,STX,TLH.

 

[CFI2766]

Several thoughts here:

1) Isn't there a paragraph in the ASA (pilot) contract that stipulates that the 70 and the 90 will pay the same?

2) The first (and hopefully last) ASA punk that wears his/her epaulets backwards because they drive 'The 9' should get a solid a$$ whoooopin.

3) Waaay to early to say where this flying will go. If it gets replaced, at all.

4) Most importantly, it's extremely poor form to gloat over another pilot's misfortune. This can, and probably will, be a sandwich that we will all take a bite out of at some point.

 

[USCtrojan]

Several thoughts here:

1) Isn't there a paragraph in the ASA (pilot) contract that stipulates that the 70 and the 90 will pay the same?

2) The first (and hopefully last) ASA punk that wears his/her epaulets backwards because they drive 'The 9' should get a solid a$$ whoooopin.

3) Waaay to early to say where this flying will go. If it gets replaced, at all.

4) Most importantly, it's extremely poor form to gloat over another pilot's misfortune. This can, and probably will, be a sandwich that we will all take a bite out of at some point.

1) The payrates in the Contract set forth are for Aircraft up to 76 seats. So yes, if ASA were to operate 900's then the rates for the 700/900 remain the same.

Trojan

 

[Redan]

What routes did PNCL fly the -900 on?

As far as the whole "Pinnacle own's the -900's" thing goes....sure, but I bet they could sell and transfer those suckers to whoever gets that flying in a heartbeat. All ya gotta change is the "operated by:" decal on the nose.

Look for this flying to go to SkyWest or maybe, just maybe, ASA...

I have to agree. Those aircraft could have their leases transferred so fast it would make you dizzy. Very much like someone assuming someone else's auto lease.

 

[sweptback]

As an ASA MEC insider....you are starting to show your true colors.....To bad that DAL interview didn't work out too well for you.....

It cracks me up that you think you know who I am, but you really have no clue.

 

[PCL_128]

Because they were IMPOSED by PCL management.

Under the terms of the contract, the rate was REQUIRED to be negotiated BEFORE the aircraft could be flown. PCL wanted existing 50-seat rates, the MEC refused, so PCL management just deliberately violated the contract and put them on anyway.

There was a grievance over it, the pilots won and then, just like the Colgan grievance (which the PCL MEC also won), the company just ignored it and is appealing the ruling while continuing to do what they want.

PCL management has always pretty much done whatever they want, regardless of who it affects or how, and will only do the right thing when forced by the legal system.

You're a little off on this one. Yes, Pinnacle management originally imposed rates (only for Captains) on the -900s, but that ended two months ago when the arbitrator issued his ruling on new payrates. The company hasn't violated that ruling. They've been paying the arbitrated rates.

As for why they're so low, they actually aren't. They're industry average.

 

[PCL_128]

Hopefully these 900s are replaced by mainline planes.

Thank God somebody said it.