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Nothing wrong with a young age. I've met a few mature 16 year olds and some very immature 60 year olds. Immaturity is the issue and this case stinks of it.

We ought to get off this topic now. His goose is cooked and we should just pretend that everybody has learned a valuable lesson. That is until we open up the USA Today next week to read about the next guy that steps on his own d***.

Who likes Bar-B-Que?
 
They might have done a lot behind closed doors and even in the airplane but it would have been extremely unusual to have anything happen in public.

Steeling liquor is ok..... right...got it...

PanAm crews shagging on the airplane... even with no pax on board seems to be worse than this guy...

I bet if any of those PanAm guys got caught they'd love someone to defend them....

I understand and respect that the ALPA types here are willing to defend this kid. As far as I can tell it's like being a public defender. He has a right to a defense. But at the same time I find it very troubling that few of the ALPA types have really spoken out to clearly condemn these types of actions. If yo don't condemn it then you're essentially reinforcing it.



So, since we are not condemning it on a moniker message board... the ALPA types are bad?

My intent was for ALPA brother and sisters not to judge a fellow pilot.....

Are we judging this guy? Or supporting him? When we get ourselves in the companies sights... do we want support or condemnation from our fellow pilots...

If you work for Pinnacle for over 12 months... sooner or later you are going to be in your supervisors office.....
 
If you work for Pinnacle for over 12 months... sooner or later you are going to be in your supervisors office.....

Yeah, but not for getting arrested naked and drunk on an overnight.

If he is acquitted on all the charges for which he was arrested, he should be re-hired with back pay. If he really did what he was arrested for, there really is no defense.
 
My intent was for ALPA brother and sisters not to judge a fellow pilot.....

Are we judging this guy? Or supporting him? When we get ourselves in the companies sights... do we want support or condemnation from our fellow pilots...
Actually, that's an excellent question, and one that many members get VERY angry about.

It costs tens of thousands of dollars to defend a termination all the way to arbitration. That dues money could go to other things if the grievances for people who are obviously guilty of theft, sexual non-consensual assaults (like whipping it out in front of a flight attendant's hotel room door to see if she's interested or a girl who is DATING and sleeping with a guy regularly then calls "rape" after she gets drunk and wakes up in bed with him on some random overnight that they DELIBERATELY bid together - those are actual PCL stories).

Yes, I know ALPA carries a due dilligence to defend ALL its members, at least to System Board, and I'm not making a judgment about this guy's issue, I'm speaking rhetorically: When do you say "This guy just stepped WAY over the line, and we're not spending dues money on a case this egregious and save the dues money for use elsewhere"....?

Like I said before, I'm pretty certain this guy will get canned unless he JUMPED into a HIMS program like PCL-128 was talking about and the company otherwise likes him, and I'm almost 100% certain he can get his job back in grievance (given PCL's p*ss-poor track record in upholding terminations).

But the larger question remains, outside of this incident. For those who ask that question, I will answer it from the perspective of being in the middle of a termination grievance:

I was terminated under conditions the company ALLEGED were fraud and theft, and the company publicized it to the employees at airTran because of the anti-TA work I had done, trying to discredit me. Some people were very openly hostile, buying into anything that was said, without finding out the WHOLE STORY.

Those who knew me were supportive, but my union wasn't warmly supportive until they had enough medical evidence to win a civil case as well. I felt very isolated and it has been a VERY difficult 9 months, with another 9 or so to go in all likelihood. Now that they have all the information and know that I didn't do what the company accused me of, they are completely supportive, but it's still difficult at times.

Because it takes time for ALL the information to come out, the union HAS to represent these pilots, to the BEST of their ability, until they get enough information to make a decision.

Sometimes the union elects to "drop" the pilot after System Board, but only if the evidence is OVERWHELMING that the pilot did what the company alleged. In my case, I'm lucky, there's lots of written evidence from medical professionals on my side. In other cases, it might not be so cut and dry.

That's why you elect a MEC who will be able to not play a popularity game and do the morally- and ethically-correct thing when it comes to a grievance, whether it's "winnable" or not. THAT is the ONLY definition of whether a grievance should or should not be fought all the way to arbitration.

Most times you and me, the line pilots, won't have enough information to make that judgment about someone else.

In this case, just because I think he was immature and being punch-drunk-stupid doesn't mean I think he shouldn't get his job back if he is terminated. I simply know how long and tortuous this route is and he could save himself a lot of heartache. If he were at a major, different story,,, Hard to explain on an interview why you left a major to go fly at a regional or supplemental or 135 company then try to go back to a major years later.

If you work for Pinnacle for over 12 months... sooner or later you are going to be in your supervisors office.....
That's about as true as it gets.
 
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That's B.S. man. I think you've got the wrong impression of what those guys were all about. My father started flying for Pan Am back in '65 and while it's true that they got away with a lot (they used to actually take the entire galley liquor cart with them to the hotel room for their personal use) I've never heard a single story of gross sexual misconduct in public. They might have done a lot behind closed doors and even in the airplane but it would have been extremely unusual to have anything happen in public.

But that was a different time. Privacy was still respected, and if you f-ed up and got caught, chances are there would be an agreement by all parties to "work things out quietly".

These days, the video of your mis-deeds are on Youtube before the cops even get there because every turd with a pulse has a camera in his cellphone looking for his 15 minutes of fame.

The "right to privacy" has been replaced by the "right" of the public to be mindlessly entertained.

Nu
 
You've got some stories mixed up. The poster boy got "asked to resign" for a few similar things, but the guy with the pizza and the "sausage" was a Captain who was not former GIA.

LOL! And I thought I knew all the trash and rumors moving thru the 9E grapevine. PCL128 pm me these details. Should make for some funny reading.

*sigh*
I still remember all the great layover advice my IOE capt (who taught me how to drink like an airline pilot) gave me. Wish he was still around to give some of these young'ns a good talkin' to.

I always gave my crews this advice. Whatever happens in (insert layover city here) stays in (insert layover city here). Get cell phone #'s from each other so you can bail each other out (figuratively). But these two were just plain stupid.
Rook
 
SplitAss, I don't call GoJet pilots SCABs. The term is pseudo-scab. But make sure you mention your opinions of GIA pilots the next time you jumpseat on AirTran. We have tons of former GIA pilots here, so I'm sure the crew would love to hear your thoughts before they boot you off of the plane.

Got the original eastern scabs over there, too.
 
Airtran guys refer to them as rEAL old guys. They always seems to forget that most of these old guys crossed a picket line.

There's a difference between rEAL and SCAB. I've flown with more rEAL than SCABs. Only about 20 SCABs left at last count.
 
Allow me to be clear: I don't condone his actions at all. Grossly inappropriate, no matter what profession he's a part of. He just doesn't deserve to lose his job over it.
Not only does he deserve to lose his job, I hope he does time picking up trash on the side of the road. What part of "good moral character" is not clear? Public sex is "RISKY" at best for anyone, and having the good judgment to not do it, or at best not get caught is critical! Add the alcohol to the mix and this is what you get. I am gonna bet he is gonna be prosecuted for indecent exposure and as such will have to register in every jurisdiction in the country as a "registered sex offender" He who thinks with his schwanz, will usually end up taking it in the rear.
PBR
P.S. On a trip, in the company hotel, collecting per diem connects all of us to the company who employs us, ask any of the SKYW pilots who have been canned for similar lesser misdeeds, not involving indeceent exposure.
 
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I am gonna bet he is gonna be prosecuted for indecent exposure and as such will have to register in every jurisdiction in the country as a "registered sex offender" He who thinks with his schwanz, will usually end up taking it in the rear.


That is WAY, WAY over the line! This was some drunken hijinks gone wrong, not a criminal act that he should pay for, for the rest of his life.

Everyone that is burning this guy at the stake needs to back off and take a good long look at yourself. Are you all so perfect that you have never done something stupid?

I think making national news as "the naked pilot" is punishment enough, but to have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life is criminal.
 
That is WAY, WAY over the line! This was some drunken hijinks gone wrong, not a criminal act that he should pay for, for the rest of his life.

Everyone that is burning this guy at the stake needs to back off and take a good long look at yourself. Are you all so perfect that you have never done something stupid?

I think making national news as "the naked pilot" is punishment enough, but to have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life is criminal.
You seem to think that the posters on this website are gonna do the prosecution. The people of this country created the law defining "indecent exposure" Running around naked in public qualifies one for the "indecent exposure" arrest. If you don't like the possible consequences for this type of behavior, don't do it. This wasn't drunken hijinks gone wrong it was what it was, a naked male adult running around in public. I guess driving your Mustang around at high speed drunk would qualify as hijinks too. BBQ his ass!
PBR
 
Steeling liquor is ok..... right...got it...

PanAm crews shagging on the airplane... even with no pax on board seems to be worse than this guy...

Who said anything about stealing? Did you read that word in my post? Taking the liquor cart used to be considered a pilot priviledge. Nobody gave a rip!

I wasn't actually talking about shagging either. I'm talking about FA's pushing the galley carts around and pulling up their skirts to flash the flight deck. I'm not saying sex in the airplane didn't happen but I certainly don't know any of those stories. I do know a few stories about sex in the hotel but all of those ended with a pregnant and subsequently wealthy FA and a very devorced Captain. Even then, only the morons nailed the stews. As for sex in the woods... well I've only got one story on that now and we'll all see the results on that one.
 
You seem to think that the posters on this website are gonna do the prosecution. The people of this country created the law defining "indecent exposure" Running around naked in public qualifies one for the "indecent exposure" arrest. If you don't like the possible consequences for this type of behavior, don't do it. This wasn't drunken hijinks gone wrong it was what it was, a naked male adult running around in public. I guess driving your Mustang around at high speed drunk would qualify as hijinks too. BBQ his ass!
PBR

ur gay
 
I am gonna bet he is gonna be prosecuted for indecent exposure and as such will have to register in every jurisdiction in the country as a "registered sex offender"
You are obviously not in law enforcement.

Indecent exposure does NOT require you to be listed as a registered sex offender.

Exposing yourself to a minor is about the lightest crime that will get you stuck on that list, and rightfully so.

What he did in the eyes of the law is about the same as a drunk college student going around the side of the bar on his way back to his car to take a leak and getting busted. Class A misdemeanor by the time they're done with it AT THE VERY WORST.

NOT a sex crime. Methinks you've had a bit to drink and are being a wee bit dramatic. Relax... he's in enough trouble without all the added hysteria.

She's actually in more trouble than he is for breaking into a car.
 
Here's my question for curiosity. I recently renewed my medical and one of the question boxes asks something to the effect of, "History of nontraffic convictions. (misdemeanors or felonies) If yes explain." So everytime this guy goes to get a new medical (if there's any point to it) he's going to have to essentially write out that he was the naked pilot in the woods and will have to do so for the rest of his life? Is that right? What a pain in the a**!
 
Here's my question for curiosity. I recently renewed my medical and one of the question boxes asks something to the effect of, "History of nontraffic convictions. (misdemeanors or felonies) If yes explain." So everytime this guy goes to get a new medical (if there's any point to it) he's going to have to essentially write out that he was the naked pilot in the woods and will have to do so for the rest of his life? Is that right? What a pain in the a**!

Maybe just the first time. After that he can list it as "previously reported" :)
 
Here's my question for curiosity. I recently renewed my medical and one of the question boxes asks something to the effect of, "History of nontraffic convictions. (misdemeanors or felonies) If yes explain." So everytime this guy goes to get a new medical (if there's any point to it) he's going to have to essentially write out that he was the naked pilot in the woods and will have to do so for the rest of his life? Is that right? What a pain in the a**!

Did the Pan AM FOM say the CA has privledge on the liquor cart for crew use at the hotel...

You are confusing law/policy with accpeted social culture.

It is soically accpetable to drive 5 miles over the speed limit. We all do it... hardly anyone gets a ticket... it is an accpeted and condone illegal activity...


If you think about this event... if this guy was on days off it would be a non event...

As to your quote above... if the guy is smart... he will plead it down.. do as much community service as needed so there is no conviction....


She's actually in more trouble than he is for breaking into a car.

In addition.. the TYPE of car... a gov't car.

Recall the Dave Chappelle Show's Keepin it Real.. the chick that didn't like no one playin' on her phone..




Fact is... this guy is going to accept the consequences of his actions...whether he wants to or not... to reject him and call for his execution is wrong....
 
You are obviously not in law enforcement.

Indecent exposure does NOT require you to be listed as a registered sex offender.

Exposing yourself to a minor is about the lightest crime that will get you stuck on that list, and rightfully so.

What he did in the eyes of the law is about the same as a drunk college student going around the side of the bar on his way back to his car to take a leak and getting busted. Class A misdemeanor by the time they're done with it AT THE VERY WORST.

NOT a sex crime. Methinks you've had a bit to drink and are being a wee bit dramatic. Relax... he's in enough trouble without all the added hysteria.

She's actually in more trouble than he is for breaking into a car.

OOPPPS,
Guess you are kinda caught behind the closet door,
Here is a copy of the of the California Penal Code text:
314. Every person who willfully and lewdly, either:

1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any
public place, or in any place where there are present other persons
to be offended or annoyed thereby; or,
2. Procures, counsels, or assists any person so to expose
himself or take part in any model artist exhibition, or to make any
other exhibition of himself to public view, or the view of any number
of persons, such as is offensive to decency, or is adapted to excite
to vicious or lewd thoughts or acts,

is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Every person who violates subdivision 1 of this section after
having entered, without consent, an inhabited dwelling house, or
trailer coach as defined in Section 635 of the Vehicle Code, or the
inhabited portion of any other building, is punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison, or in the county jail not exceeding
one year.
Upon the second and each subsequent conviction under subdivision 1
of this section, or upon a first conviction under subdivision 1 of
this section after a previous conviction under Section 288, every
person so convicted is guilty of a felony, and is punishable by
imprisonment in state prison.

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 290-294




290. (a) Sections 290 to 290.023, inclusive, shall be known and may
be cited as the Sex Offender Registration Act. All references to
"the Act" in those sections are to the Sex Offender Registration Act.

(b) Every person described in subdivision (c), for the rest of his
or her life while residing in California, or while attending school
or working in California, as described in Sections 290.002 and
290.01, shall be required to register with the chief of police of the
city in which he or she is residing, or the sheriff of the county if
he or she is residing in an unincorporated area or city that has no
police department, and, additionally, with the chief of police of a
campus of the University of California, the California State
University, or community college if he or she is residing upon the
campus or in any of its facilities, within five working days of
coming into, or changing his or her residence within, any city,
county, or city and county, or campus in which he or she temporarily
resides, and shall be required to register thereafter in accordance
with the Act.
(c) The following persons shall be required to register:
Any person who, since July 1, 1944, has been or is hereafter
convicted in any court in this state or in any federal or military
court of a violation of Section 187 committed in the perpetration, or
an attempt to perpetrate, rape or any act punishable under Section
286, 288, 288a, or 289, Section 207 or 209 committed with intent to
violate Section 261, 286, 288, 288a, or 289, Section 220, except
assault to commit mayhem, Section 243.4, paragraph (1), (2), (3),
(4), or (6) of subdivision (a) of Section 261, paragraph (1) of
subdivision (a) of Section 262 involving the use of force or violence
for which the person is sentenced to the state prison, Section
264.1, 266, or 266c, subdivision (b) of Section 266h, subdivision (b)
of Section 266i, Section 266j, 267, 269, 285, 286, 288, 288a, 288.3,
288.4, 288.5, 288.7, 289, or 311.1, subdivision (b), (c), or (d) of
Section 311.2, Section 311.3, 311.4, 311.10, 311.11, or 647.6, former
Section 647a, subdivision (c) of Section 653f, subdivision 1 or 2 of
Section 314, any offense involving lewd or lascivious conduct under
Section 272, or any felony violation of Section 288.2; any statutory
predecessor that includes all elements of one of the above-mentioned
offenses; or any person who since that date has been or is hereafter
convicted of the attempt or conspiracy to commit any of the
above-mentioned offenses.


I will guess the local jurisdiction will have a similar statute also, will look up for you and post in a minute or two, in the meantime you should stick to flying your Cessna around the patch.
PBR
P.S. here ya go, couldn't find registered sex offender, but most states have similar statutes.

http://members.aol.com/StatutesP8/18PA3127.html

Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
CRIMES AND OFFENSES (TITLE 18)
PART II. DEFINITION OF SPECIFIC OFFENSES.
CHAPTER 31. SEXUAL OFFENSES

Subchapter B. Definition Of Offenses

§ 3127. Indecent exposure.

(a) Offense defined.--A person commits indecent exposure if that person exposes his or her genitals in any public place or in any place where there are present other persons under circumstances in which he or she knows or should know that this conduct is likely to offend, affront or alarm.

(b) Grading.--If the person knows or should have known that any of the persons present are less than 16 years of age, indecent exposure under subsection (a) is a misdemeanor of the first degree. Otherwise, indecent exposure under subsection (a) is a misdemeanor of the second degree.
[Webmaster note: Section 5901 (relating to open lewdness)
 
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You seem to think that the posters on this website are gonna do the prosecution. The people of this country created the law defining "indecent exposure" Running around naked in public qualifies one for the "indecent exposure" arrest. If you don't like the possible consequences for this type of behavior, don't do it. This wasn't drunken hijinks gone wrong it was what it was, a naked male adult running around in public. I guess driving your Mustang around at high speed drunk would qualify as hijinks too. BBQ his ass!
PBR

Got Issues?
 
Got Issues?
Sure lots, but when people think that this type of behavior is just hijinks and is ok, I take no small measure of amusement when they underestimate the criminal justice system. Do you really think if this pinhead knew that he would be held accountable for his actions in and/or out of the cockpit? If this discourse causes one future pilot/sex offender to keep his/her pants on until behind closed doors, it might be worth it. But, then it would not provide future F/I posters any fun!
PBR
Its ok Lear, I am sure you have been wrong before and will continue to be wrong in the future too.
 
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And you deduced that how? Just because that is your orientation, does not mean everyone else is. But thats ok, you can be who/whatever you wanna be, we will accept you for who you are!
PBR
 
Lear, paging Mr Lear.......
 
Sorry, PBR, I was busy gathering ACTUAL CASE HISTORY in California, since you evidently have a hard time understanding the Code.

Its ok Lear, I am sure you have been wrong before and will continue to be wrong in the future too.
Actually, it's not me who's wrong on this one. Guess those reading comprehension classes didn't work for you too well,,,

referencing the pertinent parts of your own quotes:

Here is a copy of the of the California Penal Code text:

314. Every person who willfully and lewdly, either:

1. Exposes his person, or the private parts thereof, in any public place, or in any place where there are present other persons to be offended or annoyed thereby; or,,,

is guilty of a misdemeanor.
In this case, the pilot didn't willfully and lewdly expose himself in a public place.

You're dreaming if you think that any decent attorney isn't going to get him off the hook for this, having initiated the act where he had reason to believe they were alone and he wouldn't be offending anyone, then subsequently got lost.

This is EXACTLY the same as being in the lake, messing around, losing your trunks, and having no way to get to your towel without streaking across the bank.

It's an accident, not lewd and lascivious behavior.

Every person who violates subdivision 1 of this section after having entered, without consent, an inhabited dwelling house, or trailer coach as defined in Section 635 of the Vehicle Code, or the inhabited portion of any other building, is punishable by imprisonment in the state prison, or in the county jail not exceeding one year.
You emphasized this section by bolding "Code"; I have no idea why you did it, he didn't enter a home, trailer coach, or other building. He knocked on a door, retreated behind a car, and asked for clothes without exposing himself. Again, he's trying to be decent here, a fact that won't be overlooked by the district attorney.

No entry, no felony. It's right there in black and white.

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 290-294

290. (a) Sections 290 to 290.023, inclusive, shall be known and may be cited as the Sex Offender Registration Act. All references to "the Act" in those sections are to the Sex Offender Registration Act.

(b) Every person described in subdivision (c), for the rest of his or her life while residing in California, or while attending school or working in California, as described in Sections 290.002 and 290.01, shall be required to register with the chief of police of the
city in which he or she is residing, or the sheriff of the county if he or she is residing in an unincorporated area or city that has no police department, and, additionally, with the chief of police of a campus of the University of California, the California State University, or community college if he or she is residing upon the campus or in any of its facilities, within five working days of
coming into, or changing his or her residence within, any city, county, or city and county, or campus in which he or she temporarily resides, and shall be required to register thereafter in accordance with the Act.

(c) The following persons shall be required to register:

Any person who, since July 1, 1944, has been or is hereafter convicted in any court in this state or in any federal or military court of a violation of...

subdivision 1 or 2 of Section 314, ...
Again, we go back to whether he WILLFULLY and LEWDLY exposed himself.

Here is an excerpt from some local legal interpretations of Section 314 in California:

California Indecent Exposure:

Indecent exposure is publicly displaying one's genitalia to one or more people, usually with the intent to shock or disturb the unsuspecting viewer. Often this is done to give the exposer sexual satisfaction.
and here:

Indecent Exposure

This crime is charged by the District Attorney when a person willfully exposes his genitals in the presence of another person who might be offended or annoyed by this action. The action must be done with the intent to direct public attention to his genitals for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying himself or another person, or to sexually offend another person (Penal Code Section 314).


Upon first offense, this crime is charged as a misdemeanor. It will be elevated to a felony if there is a prior conviction, or if the act was done inside of an inhabited dwelling without consent of the owner. Thus, sentencing ranges from a maximum of up to one year in county jail, to several years in state prison.
These are both from established California case law. There's more to the law than just reading the book - established enforcement history takes precedence.

But you probably knew that already, didn't you? :rolleyes:



I will guess the local jurisdiction will have a similar statute also, will look up for you and post in a minute or two, in the meantime you should stick to flying your Cessna around the patch.
Ohhh, you're guessing. You're also citing California law for a Pennsylvania case. Here's another tidbit for how crazy California law is:

[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Judge: Indecent Exposure Law Applies to Men Only

[/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] California: Superior Court Judge Robert W. Armstrong has dismissed charges of indecent exposure against a 40-year-old woman on the grounds that the law was gender specific.
The defendent in this case allegedly disrobed in front of a 14-year-old boy who lives next door because of the noise he was making playing basketball. When the boy's parents remonstrated she told them she would do it every time he played basketball.


[/FONT]
P.S. here ya go, couldn't find registered sex offender, but most states have similar statutes.

http://members.aol.com/StatutesP8/18PA3127.html

Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
CRIMES AND OFFENSES (TITLE 18)
PART II. DEFINITION OF SPECIFIC OFFENSES.
CHAPTER 31. SEXUAL OFFENSES

Subchapter B. Definition Of Offenses

§ 3127. Indecent exposure.

(a) Offense defined.--A person commits indecent exposure if that person exposes his or her genitals in any public place or in any place where there are present other persons under circumstances in which he or she knows or should know that this conduct is likely to offend, affront or alarm.
Thank you for making my case.

They're going to VERY EASILY argue that where he initially disrobed was nowhere near anyone that likely would have been offended, affronted, or alarmed. Additionally, his actions by knocking then hiding while asking for clothes behind cover suggests that he was taking pains NOT to offend, affront or alarm someone.

As far as "sticking to flying my Cessna around the pattern", maybe you should read my profile, genius. Oh, that's right, you have a reading comprehension problem, never mind. We'll have to make special dispensation for you here...

p.s. When everyone else thinks you're wrong and you're the only one trying to crucify the guy by adding him to a "sex offenders list", maybe you're the only one with a skewed set of values...?

Just a thought.
 
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Why are we talking about California, I thought this happened in Harrisburg, PA.
 
You seem to think that the posters on this website are gonna do the prosecution. The people of this country created the law defining "indecent exposure" Running around naked in public qualifies one for the "indecent exposure" arrest. If you don't like the possible consequences for this type of behavior, don't do it. This wasn't drunken hijinks gone wrong it was what it was, a naked male adult running around in public. I guess driving your Mustang around at high speed drunk would qualify as hijinks too. BBQ his ass!
PBR

This has to be one of the stupidest posts I have ever read! The best part though is how you are trying to justify your answer with California state law. News flash for you pal, he was arrested in PA, California law in no way, even remotely applies. I am sure if you look hard enough you could find a law from a country in the middle east that would let you cut his pec$er off.
 
Hehe... I'm just laughing at the amount of times I've seen the word "penal" on this page.
 
Sorry, PBR, I was busy gathering ACTUAL CASE HISTORY in California, since you evidently have a hard time understanding the Code.


Actually, it's not me who's wrong on this one. Guess those reading comprehension classes didn't work for you too well,,,

referencing the pertinent parts of your own quotes:

In this case, the pilot didn't willfully and lewdly expose himself in a public place.

You're dreaming if you think that any decent attorney isn't going to get him off the hook for this, having initiated the act where he had reason to believe they were alone and he wouldn't be offending anyone, then subsequently got lost.

This is EXACTLY the same as being in the lake, messing around, losing your trunks, and having no way to get to your towel without streaking across the bank.

It's an accident, not lewd and lascivious behavior.

You emphasized this section by bolding "Code"; I have no idea why you did it, he didn't enter a home, trailer coach, or other building. He knocked on a door, retreated behind a car, and asked for clothes without exposing himself. Again, he's trying to be decent here, a fact that won't be overlooked by the district attorney.

No entry, no felony. It's right there in black and white.

Again, we go back to whether he WILLFULLY and LEWDLY exposed himself.

Here is an excerpt from some local legal interpretations of Section 314 in California:

and here:

These are both from established California case law. There's more to the law than just reading the book - established enforcement history takes precedence.

But you probably knew that already, didn't you? :rolleyes:



Ohhh, you're guessing. You're also citing California law for a Pennsylvania case. Here's another tidbit for how crazy California law is:


Thank you for making my case.

They're going to VERY EASILY argue that where he initially disrobed was nowhere near anyone that likely would have been offended, affronted, or alarmed. Additionally, his actions by knocking then hiding while asking for clothes behind cover suggests that he was taking pains NOT to offend, affront or alarm someone.

As far as "sticking to flying my Cessna around the pattern", maybe you should read my profile, genius. Oh, that's right, you have a reading comprehension problem, never mind. We'll have to make special dispensation for you here...

p.s. When everyone else thinks you're wrong and you're the only one trying to crucify the guy by adding him to a "sex offenders list", maybe you're the only one with a skewed set of values...?

Just a thought.
I wasn't trying to crucify the guy, I was simply stating what the likely outcome could be. California is the Penal Code I am familiar with. The PA code was slightly harder to find.
http://members.aol.com/StatutesP8/18PA3127.html

Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes
CRIMES AND OFFENSES (TITLE 18)
PART II. DEFINITION OF SPECIFIC OFFENSES.
CHAPTER 31. SEXUAL OFFENSES

Subchapter B. Definition Of Offenses

§ 3127. Indecent exposure.

(a) Offense defined.--A person commits indecent exposure if that person exposes his or her genitals in any public place or in any place where there are present other persons under circumstances in which he or she knows or should know that this conduct is likely to offend, affront or alarm.

(b) Grading.--If the person knows or should have known that any of the persons present are less than 16 years of age, indecent exposure under subsection (a) is a misdemeanor of the first degree. Otherwise, indecent exposure under subsection (a) is a misdemeanor of the second degree.
[Webmaster note: Section 5901 (relating to open lewdness)
I think that the jury hearing the case will decide whether or not the the behavior fit the criteria for guilt and the subsequent penalties. You can argue the bush or any number of mitigating circumstances that are not provided in the newsclipping till you are blue in the face, but the bottom line is, if he is found guilty he will have to comply with the law as it pertains to convicted sex offenders, at least in California.
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