Pinnacle and Eagle guys and their "nice strobe" comments

[DoinTime]

Whatever you say, boss. Just don't get your panties in a wad when I b!tch at you for blinding me right before f#(king takeoff.

There is a simple way to avoid being blinded by someone elses strobes. DON'T LOOK DIRECTLY AT THEM!!! Didn't your mother ever tell you to not stare at the sun when you were a kid? The same principle applies here.

There is both sound reasoning and proceedural requirements that compell pilots to turn the strobes on as they get into position for T/O. If someone chooses to follow these requirements do what you need to do to keep it from comprimising the safety of your flight (and no this does not include b*tching over the radio).

 

[McNugget]

I'm not the one with my panties in a wad. I'm following safe operating practice and my company's FOM by doing what I do. If you want to "bitch at me" on the radio, that's your prerogative, but it'll make you sound like an unprofessional whiner to everyone on the frequency.

He doesn't need your help to accomplish that here.

 

[CA1900]

He doesn't need your help to accomplish that here.

ZING! :laugh:

 

[aa73]

OK, I stand corrected: Most REGIONALS require strobes on for runway ops. The only majors who do this are Jetblue and United. DL, CO, AA, US, AWA etc all turn on their strobes with T/O clearance, as it should be. The wing inspection/runway turnoff/taxi lights are more than enough for someone to see you on final at night.

On the MD80s I fly, you can't even turn on the strobes, they come on automatically with weight-on-wheels at rotation and come off on touchdown, as it should be.

Now stop blinding us, beotches!

 

[Huck]

This is the new guidance that most, if not all POI are mandating from their carriers.

Not at my airline. Only required when in position and hold, not when crossing. I am continually amazed at the number of pilots who cross active runways at 3 in the morning and don't touch a switch.

I started just reaching up and hitting the wing inspection lights myself from the right seat, until I was screamed at (literally) by a fine aviator who is now on my no-fly list.....

 

[RJET]

BBQ City at CMH is great.

 

[CA1900]

BBQ City at CMH is great.

Yes, it sure is. Had some of that a couple of weeks ago. Yum!

 

[Fly4PayNoMore]

I loved the guy that I flew with that b#$ched and moaned about an aircraft ahead of us that turned on their strobes as they received takeoff clearance. He went on and on about how it was a major safety issue, ruining the night vision of everyone else. I ignored him for a while, but after about a minute and a half of listening to him, I asked him to shut it so I could hear the radio traffic. So, who was the real safety risk there?

This argument is once again proof of why I couldn't stand flying with 50% of the people sitting next to me. Everyone is so freaking right about everything, they can't even smell the crap their sitting in.

 

[ohplease!]

The only majors who do this are Jetblue and United. DL, CO, AA, US, AWA etc all turn on their strobes with T/O clearance, as it should be. The wing inspection/runway turnoff/taxi lights are more than enough for someone to see you on final at night.

wrong again...

1st. Since I fly out of ATL, I can say without a doubt that the VAST, VAST majority of Delta flights taking the active runway in ATL turn on their strobes. NOT only when cleared for T/O. I don't believe this is just an ATL thing so I'd say somewhere in their SOP's it instructs them to turn on their lights.

2nd. All those "other" lights you turn on when you are on the runway don't do a thing to make you visible to someone on final....they're pointed in the other direction.....The only thing they do is make me nervous about crossing down field wondering if you're complying with the "HOLD" part of you position and hold clearance.


You AA guys manage to make the Delta guys seem reasonable sometimes....congratulations.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

I loved the guy that I flew with that b#$ched and moaned about an aircraft ahead of us that turned on their strobes as they received takeoff clearance. He went on and on about how it was a major safety issue, ruining the night vision of everyone else. I ignored him for a while, but after about a minute and a half of listening to him, I asked him to shut it so I could hear the radio traffic. So, who was the real safety risk there?

This argument is once again proof of why I couldn't stand flying with 50% of the people sitting next to me. Everyone is so freaking right about everything, they can't even smell the crap their sitting in.

I had an FO tell me we had to wait 30 min for Takeoff because the plane in POZ and Hold for T/O had his strobes on. He quoted the AIM's 30 min of no bright light section. I had to do the same thing of tell'n him to shut up and listen to the tower.

 

[PCL_128]

OK, I stand corrected: Most REGIONALS require strobes on for runway ops. The only majors who do this are Jetblue and United. DL, CO, AA, US, AWA etc all turn on their strobes with T/O clearance, as it should be. The wing inspection/runway turnoff/taxi lights are more than enough for someone to see you on final at night.

On the MD80s I fly, you can't even turn on the strobes, they come on automatically with weight-on-wheels at rotation and come off on touchdown, as it should be.

Now stop blinding us, beotches!

At least someone out there has some common sense.

 

[xjlifer]

The great thing about cheese is...you can just cut the moldy parts out ...and it is still good.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I love beer. Especially with cheese or BBQ. Say everyone, what's your favorite microbrew?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

I loved the guy that I flew with that b#$ched and moaned about an aircraft ahead of us that turned on their strobes as they received takeoff clearance. He went on and on about how it was a major safety issue, ruining the night vision of everyone else. I ignored him for a while, but after about a minute and a half of listening to him, I asked him to shut it so I could hear the radio traffic. So, who was the real safety risk there?

This argument is once again proof of why I couldn't stand flying with 50% of the people sitting next to me. Everyone is so freaking right about everything, they can't even smell the crap their sitting in.

I guess you guys don't understand a little thing called common courtesy!!! If you pay attention to the radios and make the effort to check for A/C on final when you're cleared into position there is no need to turn your strobes on right away while you're still on the taxiway so you ruin the nightvision of the guy behind you!!

 

[Smarta$$]

I guess you guys don't understand a little thing called common courtesy!!! If you pay attention to the radios and make the effort to check for A/C on final when you're cleared into position there is no need to turn your strobes on right away while you're still on the taxiway so you ruin the nightvision of the guy behind you!!

It is our company policy to do so.

 

[CA1900]

I guess you guys don't understand a little thing called common courtesy!!! If you pay attention to the radios...

That's great in Montreal when I don't speak French. Or when the aircraft on final is on a different tower frequency, and lined up for the wrong runway.

If ATC and pilots were completely immune from errors, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they aren't. And because they do make errors, I'd prefer to look like more than just a centerline light from behind, so I don't end up as Aircraft #2 on an NTSB report, with a footnote pointing out that I deviated from my SOPs.

...and make the effort to check for A/C on final when you're cleared into position...

Again, not terribly useful when it's low overcast. Or when the tower forgets about you and sidesteps an aircraft from the parallel.

Feel free to put yourself on a runway with nothing but a dim white light and maybe a beacon on. I'll pass.

 

[John Pennekamp]

We just don't get real microbrews out East. You West coast guys are lucky.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

That's great in Montreal when I don't speak French. Or when the aircraft on final is on a different tower frequency, and lined up for the wrong runway.

If ATC and pilots were completely immune from errors, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they aren't. And because they do make errors, I'd prefer to look like more than just a centerline light from behind, so I don't end up as Aircraft #2 on an NTSB report, with a footnote pointing out that I deviated from my SOPs.

Again, not terribly useful when it's low overcast. Or when the tower forgets about you and sidesteps an aircraft from the parallel.

Feel free to put yourself on a runway with nothing but a white light and maybe a beacon on; I'll pass.

You seem to be missing the point...I was good friends of the Skyw metro crew that are no longer with us thanks to controller error(by the way, it wouldn't have made any difference if their strobes were on or off)! However all the rude and thoughtless people who feel the need to turn on your strobes as soon as ATC says position and hold(ie while you're still on the taxiway with other crews directly behind you) could use a little common sense. Turning your strobes on while on the taxiway or even while still taxiing into position on the runway where you still have a view of final will not make you any safer; but it will decrease the night vision of all other crews close by! Once you're actually in position on the actual runway turning on strobes would be less damaging to everyones night vision, and still allow you to be safe!!
I don't think the problem is with having strobes on on the actual runway, just the incondsiderate guys who have a chubby to get the strobes on while still on the taxiway(you know the ones...still half a mile from the end of the runway on the crowded taxiways but ATC said position and hold so the strobes go on that instant)?!

 

[RJET]

Where do you think the stock market is going? Where should I put my hard earned money?

 

[CargoATRdriver]

That's not what they taught us at Riddle! Master on, strobes on. Navigating a complex aircraft around the airport is a dicey proposition on the best of days, you want everything operating in your favor! Safety first, dude!

Unless things severly changed down there.... (besides the fleet) the procedure was master on BEACON on.... there is a little bit of a difference...

 

[John Pennekamp]

I'd love to visit Bavaria.

 

[McNugget]

Where do you think the stock market is going? Where should I put my hard earned money?

Put ALL of it into airline stock.

 

[sqwkvfr]

Saw SWA sit at the gate (daytime) for a quick turn at BHM yesterday....had it's stobes on the entire time at the gate.

 

[PCL_128]

I'd love to visit Bavaria.

Give it up, John. We're determined to have our stupid argument.

 

[CA1900]

You seem to be missing the point...I don't think the problem is with having strobes on on the actual runway, just the incondsiderate guys who have a chubby to get the strobes on while still on the taxiway(you know the ones...

I totally agree. No reason for them to be on until you're pointing down the runway. But others, such as PCL_128, have insisted that the strobes have no business flashing until you're in the air, and with that I strongly disagree.

I was good friends of the Skyw metro crew that are no longer with us thanks to controller error(by the way, it wouldn't have made any difference if their strobes were on or off)!

I disagree. The FO on that USAir flight reported that he first saw the SKW plane when the nose was being lowered and they saw the rear position light and the landing lights shone through the propellers. It was a clear night -- bright strobes may have helped the USAir crew see the smaller plane sitting in position at the intersection in time to go around.

From a report on the crash:

The NTSB also cited lighting placement on the Metro, showing that its light blended with and were not conspicuous against the runway environment background during low light periods. Although both flight crews were operating within their ATC clearances, they were both still responsible for "see and avoid" operations since conditions were VFR.

The lighting situation was significant enough to go into the NTSB report. Better lighting on the Metro would have made the "See" part a lot easier for the USAir crew.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If it was a Pinnacle airplane, then if could have been me that b!tched at you, and I stand by it. Don't blind people with your dang strobe lights. There's a reason that Airbuses have automatic strobes that only come on with weight off wheels.

I can see you now, like one of those deer staring at head lights. Your stupid arse just staring at strobe lights.

BTW They come on with WoW because it also turns on the FDR.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Saw SWA sit at the gate (daytime) for a quick turn at BHM yesterday....had it's stobes on the entire time at the gate.

Crew change with a preflight inspection. Lights were probably missed until pushback.

 

[McNugget]

I can see you now, like one of those deer staring at head lights. Your stupid arse just staring at strobe lights.

BTW They come on with WoW because it also turns on the FDR.

You mean like this??
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[starshipdrvr]

OK, I stand corrected: Most REGIONALS require strobes on for runway ops. The only majors who do this are Jetblue and United. DL, CO, AA, US, AWA etc all turn on their strobes with T/O clearance, as it should be. The wing inspection/runway turnoff/taxi lights are more than enough for someone to see you on final at night.

On the MD80s I fly, you can't even turn on the strobes, they come on automatically with weight-on-wheels at rotation and come off on touchdown, as it should be.

Now stop blinding us, beotches!

Not quite so true, Alaska requires strobes on anytime you're cleared on or across an active runway and our MD-80's have switches that control the strobe lights so that we can turn them on taxiing onto the runway.

 

[whaleroast]

My opinion here, but I wouldn't worry much about what a Pinnacle crew says to you.