Pinacle starting to interview

[Lear70]

Don't know... They're hiring for attrition but losing more low- and mid-seniority F/O's to other regionals than anything else. That alone should tell you something.

Everything's up in the air until:

1. We find out exactly what NWA is going to do with their pilot's agreement and scope concessions.

2. We find out exactly what NWA plans to do with our ASA - worst case scenario: they dump us and give our CRJ's to Mesaba. Best case scenario: we get 70 seaters (I don't want this, but SOMEONE is going to get them, and if it's not mainline, I'd rather it be us - no offense to MSA or others).

3. We find out what Phil's going to do with our 2nd certificate and our own ongoing negotiations.

All of that is MONTHS away, too far out to wait on making a decision to come here or not.

You takes yer chances... one way or another.

 

[Speedbird34]

Gentlemen

Hey guys stop bashing foreign accents and rampers! Lack of understanding of people who are slightly diffrent from you is the basis on which racism and oppression is formed.
There is nothing more ugly to me than a Pilot swearing at a black ramper and calling him names because of his Ignorance. You get what you pay for but I do not like anyone feeling comfortable enough to curse at people who are a product of a system that enslaved and retarded their development.
Most RACIST do not even know that they are racist but it shows in their comments and in their actions.
I flew with a lighter skinned brother the other day with a black soul who told me he flew with a white captain and flight stewardess who kept cursing and making humilating remarks about blacks espercially rampers because of his mother being white they assumed he was white and felt comfortable enough to express themselves in this manner. He was disgusted and finally put the captain in check. But I was so turn off by the details he shared with me I had to force myself not to be suspicous of most people who say hello to me.
People human beings have bad in them on all sides we must work hard to be diffrent and understand other races and cultures no matter how frustrating it can get sometimes.
Do not push or encourage racist remarks on a public site like this you offend black people like me.

 

[Butters]

people who are a product of a system that enslaved and retarded their development.

Why do you blame the airlines for enslaving and retarding peoples development? Oh, you mean...

Thanks for slaming black people by saying their delopment was "retarded." Maybe you need to take your own advice. I know several smart black people who would have a thing or two to say to you.

By the way, they aren't called "stewardess" anymore. They are called "sky waitress." Get it right.

 

[Speedbird34]

Butter's my man!

Butters I do not get it! Your point? As a black man I am completely aware of our shortcomings as a race. I understand we have a high degree of responsibility for our destiny. I also understand that the system of slavery and abuse that took place historically contributed greatly to the poverty and backwardness that exist in our black communities.
Do I pretend we do not have issues. Some people would like to having done well in life or as you call them your smart black freinds who would have words for me. Let me tell you something Butters. I am one of those your smart black freinds. But I am sincere enough to desire progress and understanding amoung the diffrent races while calling for us all to be progressive and help each other. The world has both white and black people in need of help. The great problem being poverty and lack of education, poor family structure and father's in prison. If you do not make an effort to direct Kids in a positive way which the white families do better due to have a better structure and also being the more wealthy in society then you have the young ramper who you condemn so readily.
I love race discussions because only by sharing a diffrent perspective with white gentlemen like yourself can I contribute to change and bring better understanding and reduced division amoung the races.

 

[Speedbird34]

Butter's my man! Have you ever tried to make freinds with a ramper. Or to find out about his life! probably too far below you on the pole of life.
I will tell you a story about an American pilot who flew in Africa and I by no means feel his method of relating to Black people was or should be a model. But he talked to those rampers, not just a nod or a hello. he asked about their existance and even helped them push a cart at times. They adored him and admired him and listened to his advice about improving themselves. First you make freinds and then you share ideas. They also shared with him some of their own Ideas which he may have found useful.
The smart black freind is not the challenge. Some may be hypocrites too scared of you to truely express themselves, afraid of losing your freindship or their jobs. Maybe their sense of belonging or being your peer. I know the horror stories. My white freind tells me "I had a black freind in highschool. he stole from me". You do not have to bring him into your home. I know many non blacks out there who i will not bring into my home. but I will still relate with them and find common ground on some issues. Definitely they will leave me with their dignity intact and feeling respectable.
Me I just tell it as it feels to me. I do not want to be one of those who was silent. I have watched too many films on genocide like that which took place in Rwanda and I speak now to raise awareness and prevent such evil from even beginning to form. I am never able to find a fitting punishment for those who rape, murder and kill women,children and men in the name of race. So I keep my voice loud and clear on such issues and I am willing to pay whatever price it cost me to prevent such evil from growing.

 

[Rook]

I flew with a lighter skinned brother the other day with a black soul who told me he flew with a white captain and flight stewardess who kept cursing and making humilating remarks about blacks espercially rampers because of his mother being white they assumed he was white and felt comfortable enough to express themselves in this manner. He was disgusted and finally put the captain in check

If the guy truly was offended he should've brought it up to H.R. Our H.R. dept has such an itchy trigger finger they would've fired the guy on the spot then asked questions later.

Keep your pimp hand strong gentlemen...and women.

Rook

 

[Rook]

I am willing to pay whatever price it cost me to prevent such evil from growing.

If you only knew the POWER of the dark side!

Rook

 

[Speedbird34]

Rook I really do not believe such a guy need's to lose his job. He is just venting his feelings and there exist Blacks who also say terrible things about whites.
All such attacks from both ends are wrong but people have a right to their feelings. We must try to bring us all towards the middle ground and that is done by understanding each other not hurting people's careers.
Making him get fired would just create one more guy who truely dislikes blacks. Right now he is just venting I hope and deep down in his soul is goodness and a desire to do the right thing.
Humans have more good than bad in them!
There is a movie on the genocide that took place in Rwanda called " sometimes in April" airing on HBO on demand. Just awesome and it left me feeling humble and grateful to all those who keep the peace in foreign lands. They many times prevent a great tragedy. Godbless America. In Rwanda no one kept the peace and we saw the result. One million people killed in weeks.

 

[Rook]

Rook I really do not believe such a guy need's to lose his job.

Yes they do. No room in the workplace for sh*t like that. Keep it at home or at the next cross burning rally.

Rook

 

[Rook]

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[Rook]

exist Blacks who also say terrible things about whites.
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Or the next 'kill whitey' rally.

 

[arthompson]

Towlie: I don't know where you're getting your *fact* that we're cxing 5-10 flights a night due to lack of crew. We haven't cx'd that many flights in a night due to crew issues in several weeks. Since I'm sitting in the SOC on a nightly basis I'm sure my *facts* are more factual than yours.

 

[TinGoose1]

Since your in PCL's SOC, your more aware than anyone how much NWA hates you guys. Why do you folks keep defending your companies reputation. The industry doesn't respect you because you defend the crap that comes out of your company. When your pilots we're fooling around and killed themselves, your company claimed core lock. When your pilots decided to go off-roading in Wisconsin, your company tried to hide it. Your pilots have one of the worst safety records in the industry, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Unfortunately, the list goes on and on. Why don't you guys just admitt that things are bad and that your trying to change the corporate culture? I think you would gain more respect by telling the truth, than by defending the lies. By the way, it's not just NWA management that disrespects your group. Just ask anyone in the industry. You folks have become notorious for a reason.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Your pilots have one of the worst safety records in the industry.

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[PCL_128]

Since your in PCL's SOC, your more aware than anyone how much NWA hates you guys. Why do you folks keep defending your companies reputation. The industry doesn't respect you because you defend the crap that comes out of your company. When your pilots we're fooling around and killed themselves, your company claimed core lock. When your pilots decided to go off-roading in Wisconsin, your company tried to hide it. Your pilots have one of the worst safety records in the industry, and it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Unfortunately, the list goes on and on. Why don't you guys just admitt that things are bad and that your trying to change the corporate culture? I think you would gain more respect by telling the truth, than by defending the lies. By the way, it's not just NWA management that disrespects your group. Just ask anyone in the industry. You folks have become notorious for a reason.

What an idiot. You look at two accidents and determine that the entire airline is unsafe? No one is defending the pilots in those cases, at least not that I've seen. What does arthompson's post have to do with our accident history anyway? He was talking about cancelations, and I think he's a pretty good source for that kind of information.

As to the Pinnacle safety culture, it is certainly improving despite your assertion to the contrary. ASAP and FOQA will be coming on line soon. This is something that the CASC has wanted for quite some time, and it will be a great improvement for this airline and pilot group.

Stop the ridiculous attacks on a pilot group that you don't even know. You read a few newspaper articles and flightinfo posts and think that you know what things are like at Pinnacle. Grow up and engage in meaningful debate instead of childish attacks.