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edge540t72

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I had an interview scheduled with Pinacle and then NW went up in flames and it was terminated. I recieved an e-mail yesterday that they are now beginning to hire. I got my interview re-scheduled for the 14th of Nov. So if anyone is interested in working at Pinacle put in your resume. In the e-mail it said they had 8 class dates set and needed 16 people per date. Thats quite a few people..so should be interesting to see what happends.

And for all the nay sayers that will come and bash Pinnacle please don't. If you wanna work at Pinnacle send it in now!
 
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At inital send of the resume when I was accepted I had 1100 total 340 multi.
They have a decent offer of $1,000.00 if you finish training and they pay $200.00 a week for training. They also offer a $500.00 if you recomend someone and they finish training.
 
Thats to replace the high number of ones who quit!

They just parked 15 CRJs as of Oct 31, and they are already hiring again?

8 classes, 16 pilots/class = 128 newhires coming !?!


I can't even begin to imagine what the attrition rate must be!

Anyone able to provide a number of FOs and Capts. leaving per month? Is it mostly FOs leaving, or a mixture of both, like 50% Capts and 50% FOs per month?
 
psysix said:
What's the QOL for reserves?

Max 10 days off. Throw in the obligatory extensions and junior assignments and it can be more than frustrating. SJS wears off pretty quick for the Rookies. Unless you live in domicile and that just takes the commuting factor out of the equation.
 
Pinnacle is hiring because they can't adequately staff an airline. Not a jab, that's a fact.

Pinnacle is cancelling 5-10 flights a day already due to lack of crews. This is before all of their pilots start timing out for the year very soon. Pinnacle has called furloughed Mesaba pilots offering them signing bonuses to come to Pinnacle.

Just my own thought, but how can Pinnacle worry about starting and running a new certificate when they can't manage and staff the one they have? I don't get it.

By the way, good luck with the negotiations 9E guys and gals. We are already feeling the KY job at XJ, and I'm sure it's only going to head south at some point. Remember, we are all on the same team.
 
Towelie you shouldn't direct those questions at the pilots. You should know that managment takes illusionist classes from the likes of Copperfield. So smoke and mirrors is a game they know all too well. Thanks for the well wishes. And we wish XJ the best as well.
 
Rook said:
Towelie you shouldn't direct those questions at the pilots. You should know that managment takes illusionist classes from the likes of Copperfield. So smoke and mirrors is a game they know all too well. Thanks for the well wishes. And we wish XJ the best as well.

I can see it on the marquee in Vegas now....

The Mirage presents "Airline Management: The most fabulous illusion show you will ever see! And each paid admission includes all the blue Kool-Aid you can drink!"

XJ management is telling us that we need to take cuts so we can grow in the future with 70 seaters. Umm... we just played this game a year and a half ago. You can hang all the carrots you want, we aren't running after them this time.
 
Jumpin Ship

There are a lot more FO's that are leaving than Captains. Although off hand I can think of 2 Captains that are leaving this month for bigger and better things so congrads to them. Most of the attrition seems to be junior Fo's that come here to get abused build time (cause they did not have enough to get noticed by an HR Dept some where else) and then move on to some where else like Skywest or Express Jet. If you actually live in your base it is not too bad. The commuters here get rail roaded on a regular basis, last day of a trip you get extended and miss your ride home. After happening several months that is enough to wear on anyones nerves. I think there are a lot of other captains from here starting to interview with other places, I know a couple of guys that have Jet Blue interviews and a few that are looking at Air Tran and CAL. Hopefully it works out for them and I wish them the best of luck.

Scary things could be on the horison though as NWA threatens to terminate our Air Service Agreement and thanks to our understaffing ( in the never ending quest for the 9 cent per seat mile cost, we are not southwest Phil we dont have enough seats to do that, get it through your head.) causing canceled flights and penalities by Northwest. But on the flip side things could turn out to be ok, no one really knows, it is just sort of a big crap shoot, are there better places to work......yea sure. But if you are looking to get your foot in the door and are willing to accept little pay, hostile crew schedulers, and a general all around lack of caring for the employees, then I say come on down. Dont Plan on a quick upgrade, and if and when you do interview there please come back and post what they are saying. I am always curious as to what flavor Koolaide they are passing out at the interview.
 
NEW BONUS PROGRAM IN PLACE, WHICH INCLUDES:

• Paid Lodging While in Training
• $200.00 Weekly Allowance

• $500.00 Employee Referral Bonus
• $1,000.00 Sign-on Bonus, Payable at the End of Training


PLEASE NOTE: This Bonus Program is only effective until February 1, 2006.

This program ends Feb. 1st. Does that mean that after Feb 1, pilots will not get paid for training, and not get paid for the hotel during training? This takes it back to square one !

I thought the reason this "bonus program" was put in place was because they were having trouble finding applicants. Now, no pay and no hotel during trainng will turn many people away.
 
Or that upgrade times would be affected with the attrition?
 
The hiring is for massive attrition. We are losing 5 Captains and 10 FOs every month.
 
I wonder if Pinnacle would be better than Regions.. :D
 
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Pinnacle (spelled correctly this time)

Hey,
I have alot riding on this interview, so I would like to learn a little more from anyone who works insdie the company. PM or post up here.
Thanks
 
Edge,

I think people are trying to help you by telling you to stay away. Do you see any other company offering signing bonuses? There is a reason they can't get people to apply. No matter how desperate you may be, save yourself future pain and look elsewhere. Pinnacle is a miserable place to work, even for a regional they are a painful place to fly. Don't take the bashing personally, listen to what they are saying and decide if you still want to be apart of it. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 
I think besides the last poster, nobody specifically tell you to stay away from 9E. Yes, management is very hostile, and NW ground crews hate us, among others. But you work with some really fine people (pilots), and one of the better group of MX you can find in regionals. It is a place for you to gain some flight time, and if so we're lucky that we may even grow in the near future, you may even see left seat in 3-5 years.

Of course there are better place to go, but you can rest assured that the people you fly with everyday are professionals, trying to do the job right, and go home happy. Don't let all the pissers make this job any worse than it is. If you want any info, PM me.
 
one BIG benefit of working at PCL

One thing that nobody seems to be considering is that as a newhire at 9E you will have the chance to learn at least 2 foreign languages, or the English language if you don't already know it.

To me, that is worth a min of $75.00 on the W-2 (per language).

Just a consideration.
 
Call me Crazy....

But I am more than willing to bet that all of these people that are bashing the land of pineapple, heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend that work here. I will speak from my own experiences. I spent one month on reserve. How long are you folks at Express Jet, ASA, and Skywest on reserve?? A year?? More?? I got hired when they were in a hiring boom. Been here 8 months, 300 below me. Already hold 14+ days off/month. Don't let this Bankruptcy bs fool you. Smoke and mirrors my friend, welcome to the profession. It's called posturing. Who can do my flying for the least amount of money. Now, I'm not gonna lie. "Management" is interesting at times, but where isn't it?? Sorry folks, but this regional ball game is all the same. No matter where you go, there is gonna be something to %$^$^ about. Let me give you a little perspective that most don't commonly think of though my friend. Look at emerging economies. Booming economies mean more discretionary income to spend on things such as travel. I see Asian countries as future emerging economies. Who has tabs on the Asian markets?? NW. period. This place isn't going anywhere just an adapting business model like everyone in this industry. So don't let these folks rain on your parade. Bottom line these are the questions you need to ask yourself wherever you go. Where do you want to live, what ac do you want to fly, and who is the airline affiliated with. Delta? United? NW....etc, etc, etc. Do your homework, and follow your gut instinct, you will be fine.

Sig
 
Attrition is way up (already mentioned), yes.. we parked 15, does ANYONE really believe they will stay parked? NOOOO... NWA has used this ploy more than once with each pilot group flying red tails. It is getting old, but you ride it out for a few months and things will change.

Company has been hinting at more growth come the turn of the year, at whose expense is the $64,000 dollar question. What type of growth and for how long no one really knows.

Ideally the company wants to have about 1300 pilots on the line, we have about 1100 right now and decreasing. I would estimate maybe 200-300 more new hires, which would equate to hiring for about 6 months.
 
another cfii said:
I think besides the last poster, nobody specifically tell you to stay away from 9E.
I would.

Yes, management is very hostile, and NW ground crews hate us, among others.
Not to mention ceasing negotiations, decreasing Quality Of Life, and the worst reserve rules in the industry plus hostile schedulers to make your life oh so much fun.

But you work with some really fine people (pilots), and one of the better group of MX you can find in regionals. It is a place for you to gain some flight time,
Two of the reasons I stay here... the other two are "I can't replace this income anywhere else right at this moment" and "I'm trying to leave and job-hopping looks bad on a resume."

and if so we're lucky that we may even grow in the near future, you may even see left seat in 3-5 years.
Very, VERY bad idea to use "IF" statements when making a job decision.

Of course there are better place to go,,,
BINGO!

My advice: if you can find another regional with better QOL, go there. If you can't and this is your only choice, then come here, build the time, and bail like others have done, but at least do it with open eyes for what to expect.

One thing that nobody seems to be considering is that as a newhire at 9E you will have the chance to learn at least 2 foreign languages, or the English language if you don't already know it.

To me, that is worth a min of $75.00 on the W-2 (per language).

Just a consideration.
Classic! :D It's not THAT bad, but sometimes you gotta listen twice for what the other pilot just said when he or she gets busy - accents get thick and pace of speech picks up.

I will speak from my own experiences. I spent one month on reserve. How long are you folks at Express Jet, ASA, and Skywest on reserve?? A year?? More?? I got hired when they were in a hiring boom. Been here 8 months, 300 below me. Already hold 14+ days off/month.
That is not what the newhires will be experiencing and you know quite well that this month is the first time in MONTHS that the average days off in DTW or MSP has jumped above 12 (including reserves which their bid packs don't - they're people too and they care just as much as you do about days off).

Again, don't rely on IF's when making your decision. We are hiring for attrition that may or may not pick up or slow down. Assume industry standard attrition (1% per month, mostly CA's) and you'll be fine in your decision making. Don't come expecting 1 month of reserve and 14 days off within your first year.

Additionally, remember that 30% of the MEM pilots are only getting 10 days off and the average day off value is 11. Someone mentioned wanting MEM earlier - that's the gamble you take when you pick a base. It's been just as bad in other bases in different months.

Come and get your time if this is the only place that offers a job, just do so knowing what you're getting yourself into.

Incidentally, last I spoke with Scott E. about attrition, he said we'd lost 36 pilots in the month of October, none to disciplinary action, and that was on the 20th. More have probably given their 2 week's notice since then.
 
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PCL_128 said:
The hiring is for massive attrition. We are losing 5 Captains and 10 FOs every month.

Wow.... Hey I guess ol' Kit Darby is right after all. That many people moving on must mean a great big pilot shortage....
 

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