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hockeypilot44

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The Northwest mechanics, cleaners, and custodians are on strike right now. There are cleaners over there making $40,000 per year doing a job that requires no prior skill and has no real responsibility other than making a few customers unhappy if they do not do their job. We have hundreds of people's lives in our hands throughout the day including our own yet there our regional pilots out there making less than half that flying a jet. These cleaners had their wages threatened so they went on strike to protect themselves even though Northwest threatened to replace them. Northwest did replace them with scabs. Here is my problem. The Northwest pilots are still flying even though there are scab mechanics working on their airplanes. Northwest wants it's pilots to take paycuts also. Not only will ALPA encourage the pilots to take the paycuts, it will also encourage the pilots to keep flying. Are the pilots and mechanics not both unionized? What happened to the good old days when unions backed each other up? If everyone at US Air was not on the the max payscale, there would be pilots at US Air mainline making less than $40,000 per year, and there would be pilots that would happily do these jobs, yet there are cleaners at Northwest that refuse to clean the airplanes for less than this. Why are pilots happy flying airplanes for nothing? I am a bitter F/O at Chautauqua that a lot of people do not like because I complain about how much I hate my job. Most captain's response is to quit and let someone who would be happy to do my job have it. I get told about how it could be a lot worse for me if I worked somewhere else because I will upgrade in the next few months which will put me at about a two year upgrade. Then I will be making the big bucks, aproximately $55,000 to $60,000 per year. You cannot even support a family comfortably off those wages anymore, and I have a bachelor's degree with a skill and a job with a lot of responsibility. What is it about this not-so-glamorous job that forces people to want to do it for absolutely nothing? Everyone likes to point the finger at the regional pilots, but the major pilots are voluntarily taking paycuts left and right to save their airline. All pilots are the same. We are all bottom feeders. By the way, I am saving up as much money as I can right now so I can start my own restaurant and quit this god dam job. I will not even call it a profession anymore because we are far below professionals. We are pathetic, low-life scum that only care about ourselves and look down on everyone else. If we had half the intelligence or courage of the NWA mechanics, we would all be much better off. Why are these scabs at Northwest not getting beaten to death? Why does the pilot group at NWA not walk off the job? Why does Duane Worth not organize a nationwide strike to get everyone their pensions back? I will tell you why. Duane Worth only cares about his $400,000 per year salary. After all, he was a pilot, was he not? Pilots only care about themselves. If Duane Worth organized a nationwide strike, he would probably go to jail for violating the railroad act, but he would also cut his own salary since it is paid by ALPA dues. Both things would be very bad for him even though it might save our profession. A great leader puts the whole ahead of himself. Mr. Worth and the rest of ALPA's leaders obviously do not do that. Sorry this was so long, just me venting. I am also sorry for any spelling or grammar errors. I am not a writer. Thank you.
 
Pilots are pathetic bottomfeeders

Well ... duh! What's your point, Dippy?


Minh
(:D)
 
Have some cheese with your wine you wanker. Open your food business and shut the F up. You little Fing baby of a pilot. God man, you are so sad. You post this Sht on here for others to read and expect a comfort hug or something. You don't like your job, it does not pay enough, it has long hours, the cockpit smells etc.... Suck it up. IF you can't hack it now good luck with your restaurant. You think it will be all easy and customers will pour their $ out for your food? Think again. You will work just a long, invest more money and hope to god your food makes some fat old bastard happy so he will tell his friends that might go to your place.

People, not pilots, like yourself make me sick.
O yeah I want my steak red and hurry up you little btch.

~P2J
 
Hockey Is Correct!

Furthermore, he is a new FO courageous enough to speak his mind to the spineless captains and fellow jellyfish he works with. It is the rare pilots like he which are the only hope for the success of this industry.

Sadly, the number and substance of posts oppossing his view prove his point without further objection.

I do feel that while the commuter pilots started the race to the bottom, the responsibility for this entire mess ultimately rests on every major airline pilot. They were only thinking of themselves when they could have been showing their combined strength to help their fellow pilots. We/They derserve this!

I also beleive it will be the commuter pilots, not 'the big boys', who will someday return this industry to a place where fellow employees and customers snap to attention when we are present.

Keep true to your values and beliefs Hockey, you are a true aviator.
 
Nindiri said:
Can you summarize that in bullet-point form? I'm much too lazy to read the entire thing.
He's a regional FO complaining that pilots are happy to work for nothing, he advocates scabs being "beaten to death" and thinks that if Duane Worth goes to jail we'll all get big pay raises.




That's the meat of it, anyway.



:rolleyes:
 
Who has a list of current regionals that are hiring? I need a job.
 
The RichardRambone airline school is hiring guys. Its a PFT where you pay me 25,000 and Ill bi$ch at you from the left seat of our Bonanza on how we dont make any dough. Then we can go home and feel just like a Regional.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
By the way, I am saving up as much money as I can right now so I can start my own restaurant and quit this god dam job.

I think that is a fantastic idea! My family has been in the restaurant business for almost thirty years and I know exactly what you are saying as far as the pilot vs. restaurant thing...especially in the pay arena.:rolleyes:

Hopefully your customers will have a less negative reaction to you than your fellow crewmembers.

Best of luck!

Beertini
 
crashpad said:
Hockey Is Correct!


I do feel that while the commuter pilots started the race to the bottom, the responsibility for this entire mess ultimately rests on every major airline pilot. They were only thinking of themselves when they could have been showing their combined strength to help their fellow pilots. We/They derserve this!

I also beleive it will be the commuter pilots, not 'the big boys', who will someday return this industry to a place where fellow employees and customers snap to attention when we are present.

I completely agree, with the correction "the commuter pilots (most of whom are now major airline pilots) started the race to the bottom." People like to look down on the new FOs continuing to lower the bar, but forget that the attitude used to be "do what you gotta do to get time. The pain will only be temporary" with no thought of future ramifications. Now it's "I can't believe you don't know your own self worth, you piece of garbage."
 
Shut the hell up. As a 2 year FO you dont even have enough seniority to have an opinion. What do you think that what you are saying is a newsflash to anyone in the airline industry?

the same complaints you have come from teachers ("I dont get paid enough to deal with these damn kids..."), from social workers("I dont get paid enough to deal with abusive families..."), etc.

You took the job, just like they did, because you love it (flying). It's a great job when the wheels are up...I'm fairly certain you were aware of the wages when you were researching the industry. You have only yourself to blame.

Now go shut up and upgrade and make all your FO's miserable...
 
Hockey is right. Everyone that believes that unions make a differences is blind. If, When the NWA Mec. fail to have an impact with there strike, management will win. This Win is going to be echoed from every union carrier. They know that they have us and we can't do anything about it unless we come together. I have worked for three ALPA carriers and where has that got me? Laid off, with no desire to seek more torture because of the spiral and QOL at the airlines. For all the people calling hockey a baby look at yourself. He's the only one smart enough to speak out and stress the impact that everyone else can't or doesn't want to see.
 
the mechs and aircraft cleaners don't have as much vested as the pilots do. An A&P could easily get a job at a BMW dealer and make the same if not more. An aircraft cleaner probably didn't spend much toward their training. It's not so easy for a pilot to make a lateral move. Wherever you go, you have to start at the bottom again. I don't blame them for striking, they can easily get a job somewhere else doing something similar for better pay.
 
Hockey is right except for one thing.The NWA pilots have been making plan's for over 2 yrs, at one point in talks with the AMFA and PFAA.His mistake is the DW thing .Local MEC's make all the plans.And the plan is to live to fight an other day.AMFA is a trash and burn Union. The PFAA just hasn't got a clue.You want my MEC to let either of them take the lead?As long as the MEC's meet ALPA by-laws its a do as you please type thing.DW is a member of local one MSP and gets one vote.
 
What a little fool.

Why don't you go beat up some scabs then. Let us know how that turns out. If you get sent to prison, we'll take up a collection and send you some vaseline.


Anyway, it is tragic that you think that you are so wonderful that you are entitled to fat paychecks for a fairly low-stress job. You get what the market will bear, you whiney little bitch. If you get 200k, fine. If you get 20k, fine. This is called life and it was never designed so that you get whatever you think you deserve.

The fact that you are frustrated and angry gives me orgasmic pleasure, since you are too foolish to see how good you have it. You don't like the business, then LEAVE. You have not been in this industry long enough to have the right to complain.

Enjoy your miserable little life.
 
Wantfrys said:
Hockey is right. Everyone that believes that unions make a differences is blind. ... They know that they have us and we can't do anything about it unless we come together... the spiral and QOL at the airlines.

Most certainly, considering the responsibility and experience required to excel at the job, airline pilots are at all levels vastly underpaid. Substantially underpaid when considering the well-experienced aviator of many years. But the governing factor here is simply ‘supply and demand.’ Many qualified pilots for relatively few seats. A surprising number (with ‘SJS’) willing to work for minimal compensation, - or - even ‘pay’ for a seat.



No union and no quantity of bellicose verbiage will remedy what is fundamentally a business condition.
 
"Business condition" or not, I think one of the key points from Hockey's post is being lost on the crowd. Regional pilots who have spent tens of thousands of dollars on their training, who are highly skilled, and who often have college degrees are making the same or less pay than cleaners, who are probably largely unskilled and don't require much training.

If you were a hospital administrator, would you consider paying nurses the same amount as the people making cafeteria food in there?

What about office tower window washers making the same as the lawyers and investment bankers inside?

Just a few things to ponder, however briefly, to put things in perspective. It's a sad situation no matter how you slice it.
 
crashpad said:
Furthermore, he is a new FO courageous enough to speak his mind to the spineless captains and fellow jellyfish he works with. It is the rare pilots like he which are the only hope for the success of this industry.

Keep true to your values and beliefs Hockey, you are a true aviator.

This "courageous" FO is nothing of the sort. If he's ready to upgrade in a couple of months and will have had a two-year journey to get there, then he clearly has been at his company for around 18mos. The "regional airline industry" has not changed much in the last 18mos, so he knew what he was getting into before he took the job... and if he didn't then he didn't research it and has no reason to be kvetching. If he did know what he was getting into he STILL has no reason to be kvetching. All he's doing is making everyone he works with miserable... Complaining about that which he can't change just makes the crews he works with want to kill him. This takes no spine, it takes a bad attitude.

So, I guess in that case he IS a "true aviator".:D
 
Hockey 44 . We have people flying for us who quit the restaurant business because it was too much work and uncertainly compared to the life of a pilot, what makes you sure that this is the correct move? If have not put in 10 years to build your flying career you are changing paths too quickly. If you had not gone to college you would be about 3-4 years ahead in your flying career, maybe logging TJ PIC building that resume fluff that get s you a good job. You then could have done the degree on the side so you could be competitive for UPS and FedEx.
 
Hockey:

Don't take to heart the insults from those that make excuses for the "new sweatshops" that the regionals are and others are evolving in to. Your analysis of the industry is correct and the sooner you make inroads into another line of work, the better off you will be. Don't keep at this grind for 15 years waiting for things to get better like I have before you make the move.

And those that criticize you are either management types, Hitler youth (wannabe policeman check airmen), or those that simply love flying and posess IQ's in excess of 20 points below yours.

Make the move and don't look back. Work hard and succeed, good luck!
 

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