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Pilots are pathetic bottomfeeders

hockeypilot44

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The Northwest mechanics, cleaners, and custodians are on strike right now. There are cleaners over there making $40,000 per year doing a job that requires no prior skill and has no real responsibility other than making a few customers unhappy if they do not do their job. We have hundreds of people's lives in our hands throughout the day including our own yet there our regional pilots out there making less than half that flying a jet. These cleaners had their wages threatened so they went on strike to protect themselves even though Northwest threatened to replace them. Northwest did replace them with scabs. Here is my problem. The Northwest pilots are still flying even though there are scab mechanics working on their airplanes. Northwest wants it's pilots to take paycuts also. Not only will ALPA encourage the pilots to take the paycuts, it will also encourage the pilots to keep flying. Are the pilots and mechanics not both unionized? What happened to the good old days when unions backed each other up? If everyone at US Air was not on the the max payscale, there would be pilots at US Air mainline making less than $40,000 per year, and there would be pilots that would happily do these jobs, yet there are cleaners at Northwest that refuse to clean the airplanes for less than this. Why are pilots happy flying airplanes for nothing? I am a bitter F/O at Chautauqua that a lot of people do not like because I complain about how much I hate my job. Most captain's response is to quit and let someone who would be happy to do my job have it. I get told about how it could be a lot worse for me if I worked somewhere else because I will upgrade in the next few months which will put me at about a two year upgrade. Then I will be making the big bucks, aproximately $55,000 to $60,000 per year. You cannot even support a family comfortably off those wages anymore, and I have a bachelor's degree with a skill and a job with a lot of responsibility. What is it about this not-so-glamorous job that forces people to want to do it for absolutely nothing? Everyone likes to point the finger at the regional pilots, but the major pilots are voluntarily taking paycuts left and right to save their airline. All pilots are the same. We are all bottom feeders. By the way, I am saving up as much money as I can right now so I can start my own restaurant and quit this god dam job. I will not even call it a profession anymore because we are far below professionals. We are pathetic, low-life scum that only care about ourselves and look down on everyone else. If we had half the intelligence or courage of the NWA mechanics, we would all be much better off. Why are these scabs at Northwest not getting beaten to death? Why does the pilot group at NWA not walk off the job? Why does Duane Worth not organize a nationwide strike to get everyone their pensions back? I will tell you why. Duane Worth only cares about his $400,000 per year salary. After all, he was a pilot, was he not? Pilots only care about themselves. If Duane Worth organized a nationwide strike, he would probably go to jail for violating the railroad act, but he would also cut his own salary since it is paid by ALPA dues. Both things would be very bad for him even though it might save our profession. A great leader puts the whole ahead of himself. Mr. Worth and the rest of ALPA's leaders obviously do not do that. Sorry this was so long, just me venting. I am also sorry for any spelling or grammar errors. I am not a writer. Thank you.
 

Nindiri

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Can you summarize that in bullet-point form? I'm much too lazy to read the entire thing.
 

Snakum

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Pilots are pathetic bottomfeeders

Well ... duh! What's your point, Dippy?


Minh
:)D)
 

Prop2Jet

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Have some cheese with your wine you wanker. Open your food business and shut the F up. You little Fing baby of a pilot. God man, you are so sad. You post this Sht on here for others to read and expect a comfort hug or something. You don't like your job, it does not pay enough, it has long hours, the cockpit smells etc.... Suck it up. IF you can't hack it now good luck with your restaurant. You think it will be all easy and customers will pour their $ out for your food? Think again. You will work just a long, invest more money and hope to god your food makes some fat old bastard happy so he will tell his friends that might go to your place.

People, not pilots, like yourself make me sick.
O yeah I want my steak red and hurry up you little btch.

~P2J
 

dollacrackho

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crashpad

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Hockey Is Correct!

Furthermore, he is a new FO courageous enough to speak his mind to the spineless captains and fellow jellyfish he works with. It is the rare pilots like he which are the only hope for the success of this industry.

Sadly, the number and substance of posts oppossing his view prove his point without further objection.

I do feel that while the commuter pilots started the race to the bottom, the responsibility for this entire mess ultimately rests on every major airline pilot. They were only thinking of themselves when they could have been showing their combined strength to help their fellow pilots. We/They derserve this!

I also beleive it will be the commuter pilots, not 'the big boys', who will someday return this industry to a place where fellow employees and customers snap to attention when we are present.

Keep true to your values and beliefs Hockey, you are a true aviator.
 

TonyC

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Nindiri said:
Can you summarize that in bullet-point form? I'm much too lazy to read the entire thing.
He's a regional FO complaining that pilots are happy to work for nothing, he advocates scabs being "beaten to death" and thinks that if Duane Worth goes to jail we'll all get big pay raises.




That's the meat of it, anyway.



:rolleyes:
 

DX Rick

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Who has a list of current regionals that are hiring? I need a job.
 

RichardRambone

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The RichardRambone airline school is hiring guys. Its a PFT where you pay me 25,000 and Ill bi$ch at you from the left seat of our Bonanza on how we dont make any dough. Then we can go home and feel just like a Regional.
 

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hockeypilot44 said:
By the way, I am saving up as much money as I can right now so I can start my own restaurant and quit this god dam job.

I think that is a fantastic idea! My family has been in the restaurant business for almost thirty years and I know exactly what you are saying as far as the pilot vs. restaurant thing...especially in the pay arena.:rolleyes:

Hopefully your customers will have a less negative reaction to you than your fellow crewmembers.

Best of luck!

Beertini
 

miles otoole

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crashpad said:
Hockey Is Correct!


I do feel that while the commuter pilots started the race to the bottom, the responsibility for this entire mess ultimately rests on every major airline pilot. They were only thinking of themselves when they could have been showing their combined strength to help their fellow pilots. We/They derserve this!

I also beleive it will be the commuter pilots, not 'the big boys', who will someday return this industry to a place where fellow employees and customers snap to attention when we are present.

I completely agree, with the correction "the commuter pilots (most of whom are now major airline pilots) started the race to the bottom." People like to look down on the new FOs continuing to lower the bar, but forget that the attitude used to be "do what you gotta do to get time. The pain will only be temporary" with no thought of future ramifications. Now it's "I can't believe you don't know your own self worth, you piece of garbage."
 

airmasn

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Shut the hell up. As a 2 year FO you dont even have enough seniority to have an opinion. What do you think that what you are saying is a newsflash to anyone in the airline industry?

the same complaints you have come from teachers ("I dont get paid enough to deal with these damn kids..."), from social workers("I dont get paid enough to deal with abusive families..."), etc.

You took the job, just like they did, because you love it (flying). It's a great job when the wheels are up...I'm fairly certain you were aware of the wages when you were researching the industry. You have only yourself to blame.

Now go shut up and upgrade and make all your FO's miserable...
 

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Hockey is right. Everyone that believes that unions make a differences is blind. If, When the NWA Mec. fail to have an impact with there strike, management will win. This Win is going to be echoed from every union carrier. They know that they have us and we can't do anything about it unless we come together. I have worked for three ALPA carriers and where has that got me? Laid off, with no desire to seek more torture because of the spiral and QOL at the airlines. For all the people calling hockey a baby look at yourself. He's the only one smart enough to speak out and stress the impact that everyone else can't or doesn't want to see.
 

viper548

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the mechs and aircraft cleaners don't have as much vested as the pilots do. An A&P could easily get a job at a BMW dealer and make the same if not more. An aircraft cleaner probably didn't spend much toward their training. It's not so easy for a pilot to make a lateral move. Wherever you go, you have to start at the bottom again. I don't blame them for striking, they can easily get a job somewhere else doing something similar for better pay.
 
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