Picking up extra work with guys on the street

[PBRstreetgang]

And this is the sad fact of the industry today!! Brotherhood? YGTBSM. It's become a cut-throat industry.

CEOs get first consideration.

 

[instructordude]

So just when I thought Netjets had a strong union.

Turns out there has been over a thousand extra days of work picked up while there are guys on the street. This is for Jan 1st-Sep 30th....


IYO is this alot compared to what you all have seen at the majors when guys are on furlough? A handful I could see, but 1000+ seems excessive.

Trying to get a perspective from 121 guys. We have a 30+ year 121 guy (furloughed Netjets)who thinks this picking up of "extra work" is the worst he's seen...

thoughts?

Thanks

You've got pay your bills so why not?? Not working extra isn't going to get those guys back in the cockpit is it? You'd be leaving money on the table if you don't.

 

[BentOver]

You've got pay your bills so why not?? Not working extra isn't going to get those guys back in the cockpit is it? You'd be leaving money on the table if you don't.

Stay in your RJ with your 3800 hrs. In time you'll get the bigger picture.

 

[BentOver]

Extended days don't jeopardize scope. If anything, they protect it.

More importantly, WHY did your union leadership feel the need to publish such statistics?


And if I assumed you were picking on GLC guys, it's because we have been the whipping boys for every perceived inequity at Netjets for years.

Extended days allow the company to do more with less.. Pretty simple concept to understand.

The union published statistics in an attempt to bring to light just how many extended days were being picked up. Last year they thought it was a non-issue. apparently it is not a non-issue anymore.

BTW..like it or not it is also YOUR union. Your work rules/pay/QOL is now lumped in with the rest of the pilot group... We now all make a collective decision on what CBA we work under. Better get used to it.

And like I said, I never pointed fingers at the GLC guys. You just assumed.

 

[dashtrash]

everybody's got their 10%- and every airline has their 1%.
It's a pretty shameful thing though, picking up with pilots furloughed-

Multiply your %'s by at least 5 & you are correct.

 

[mamba20]

Guys on the street and people are picking up open time? Must be either scabs or former CAL pilots, or both.

 

[gutshotdraw]

BTW..like it or not it is also YOUR union. Your work rules/pay/QOL is now lumped in with the rest of the pilot group... We now all make a collective decision on what CBA we work under. Better get used to it.

I referred to YOUR union leadership because none of the NJI people got to vote for said leadership. I still question why the eboard makes decisions and publishes information that is bound to split the group and then demands "unity."

 

[gutshotdraw]

You DO know the cost of positioning crews internationally is directly passed along to the customer-no cost to the company. Please tell us you understand this. Go ahead and ask the bill dept. Knowing this, now how do you feel about volunteering for extended days?

Close, but no cigar.

When the itinerary calls for a pre-positioned crew at a tech stop, say in Anchorage, to conduct a long range flight, the customer is billed for those expenses.

When the crew has to be swapped out halfway through a trip, say while the customer is doing his three days of business in Beijing, the COMPANY eats the expense. Just as if the customer was in Toledo for three days and it was time for the crew to go home.

Customer convenience: customer pays.

Company (or contract) convenience: company pays.

 

[BentOver]

I referred to YOUR union leadership because none of the NJI people got to vote for said leadership. I still question why the eboard makes decisions and publishes information that is bound to split the group and then demands "unity."

Probably to show just how much was being picked up. Who or where those extended days are coming from is not important. The fact that they are being picked up, and the amount, is. A majority are coming from the Gulfstream fleets, but that doesn't make up for the other half that are coming from the rest.

On our furloughed side, we really have no concern over what fleet is doing those days. The fact that they are being picked up is our concern. Of course "if" we ever rejoin the seniority list you can be sure this will not be forgotten.

 

[gutshotdraw]

If you are furloughed Bent, I truly hope you will find or have found something better because the sad fact is, this furlough will last a LONG time.

Like I said before, I don't fly extended days but, more importantly, I don't fly the 18 day. In my opinion, that schedule will keep you off the property way longer than extended days.

Happy Thanksgiving.