PFT'er damages A-320

[Amish RakeFight]

what did you talk you all the info about your pilot licence medical atc tapes is of public dormain

Huh?......

Jiveman1: Sheeeet, man, that honkey mus' be messin' my old lady got to be runnin' col' upsihd down his head!
(GOLLY, THAT WHITE FELLOW SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM MY WIFE OR I WILL PUNCH HIM.)

Jiveman2: Hey Holm, I can dig it! You know he ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap upon you man! (YES, HE IS WRONG FOR DOING THAT.)

Jiveman1: I say hey sky, s'other say I won say I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol. (I KNEW A MAN IN A SIMILAR PREDICAMENT, AND HE ENDED UP BEING SORRY.)

Jiveman2: Knock yourself a pro slick. Gray matter back got perform' us' down I take TCBin, man'.
(DON'T BE NAIVE ARTHUR. EACH OF US FACES A CLEAR MORAL CHOICE.)

Jiveman1: You know wha' they say: See a broad to get that bodiac lay'er down an' smack 'em yack 'em.
(EARLY TO BED, EARLY TO RISE, MAKES A MAN HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE.)

Together: Col' got to be! Yo!
(HOW TRUE!)

Together: Sheeeeeeet!
(GOLLY.)

 

[Amish RakeFight]

ACARS:

FKN.300.HR.MALAKAS.DSTRYS.A320.

 

[ALIMBO]

Being Greek I understand that quite well lol.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Being Greek I understand that quite well lol.

LOL. I was wondering if anyone knew what I wrote. No offense of course! :beer:

My good friend growing up was Greek. He had a 15 letter last name too. The father was an outstanding cook and I treasured my dinners when we hung out at his house.

 

[Flyer1015]

Years of spew, he is the most infamous PFTer on the internet. He thinks by being a born again unionista will absolve him of past folly. Those on here "old school" types who did it the hard way, resent using ones parents retirement fund/credit rating to buy a job, thus perpetuating the PFT syndrome.
PBR

You people need to get over yourselves. Put the whole Gulfstream thing aside, PCL_128 is a CFI/I and taught students before getting hired on at Pinnacle. He wasn't some 250-500 hr hire at Pinnacle through Gulfstream.

Judge a man by his character, he's a good guy. He spent countless hours putting up with Pinnacle management's sh*t and protecting pilots during carpet dances. I respect him for that.

 

[Flyer1015]

but have too much respect to damage the profession in that manner.

Just FYI, the profession is already damaged and disrespected upon. Regardless of your efforts. Blame oil, corrupt and greedy management, incompetence leaders, etc.

Instead, I Flight Instructed, flew 135 night freight then went into the ANG. My career was derailed by 9/11(as were many), but I was able to overcome the setback. I'm proud of my career path, can PCL say the same?

I'll let him speak for himself, but like you, he flight instructed many students before coming to Pinnacle.

 

[MJ42]

Just FYI, the profession is already damaged and disrespected upon. Regardless of your efforts. Blame oil, corrupt and greedy management, incompetence leaders, etc. I agree, but those PFT participants hurt your fellow pilots. Is there any wonder why we don't have unity in this profession?



I'll let him speak for himself, but like you, he flight instructed many students before coming to Pinnacle.

You mentioned character, doesn't past poor decision making show questionable character? There were very few jobs back then, even less than now. Regional airlines knew they could take advantage of those with money and questionable character(mainly because managements character was questionable too.) He chose the wrong route and now realizes it. My only problem with him is he likes to lecture a lot, knowing full well his past lack of judgement.

I couldn't care less about those PFTers now. However, when people forget about how this hurt the industry, I like to remind them. Times are tough now, management could easily start up PFT again. There is always someone wiling to pay, after all, if they sold someone on how they can get ahead(like chickensled thought) they will get a ton of suckers to cough up the money.

Again, my only problem is that he is extremely opinionated and alway right(in his mind). He is quick to criticize when someone disagrees. I just (gently) remind him he's not perfect either. And, not to forget, he's not even ALPA anymore.

P.S. JoeM is the same way, just the other extreme.

 

[TheInsider]

How many read the entire PDF file?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Geeez. How long is PCL gonna get thrown under the PFT bus around here.

 

[Nindiri]

If I had the money and opportunity to advance my career by PFT back in those days, I would have done it in a heartbeat. Intentionally delaying your career by several years and losing several hundred thousand dollars off the end of your career is kind of stupid.

 

[time builder]

I haven't put in my .02 about PFT for a while, but let me just say not all PFT is the same.

Obviously, I think there's a consensus that carrying passengers in required positon that you paid for is wrong. If no one paid for that positon, these Gulfstreams and what not would be forced to pay for FOs.

On the other hand, there are Alpines and Ameriflights out there that will take an FO if they want, or fly single pilot without them. I don't have a problem with this. Guys who go through these programs have an uphill battle to face once they're done. Airline interviewers know these programs, and if something doesn't look quite right, they'll err on the safe side and leave them on the street. I've seen it at all levels too, from canyon tours to cargo to 121 airlines.

 

[hecbir]

ai what ever is very smart he must be ptf

 

[Amish RakeFight]

ai what ever is very smart he must be ptf

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can ever will color in autmn.

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[wrxpilot]

From the linked PDF, it sounds like the F/O needs to look outside the damn airplane! Staring at the PFD below 200 ft on a visual, that's a little scary.

 

[CrewDawg]

Well I think its pretty obvious here that 300 hr pilots dont need to be in any of the front seats of jets.

So 300 hour pilots don't have the ability to fly jets?

 

[dojetdriver]

So 300 hour pilots don't have the ability to fly jets?

Reading your profile, I'm PRETTY SURE I know where you're trying to go with this.

But READ the pdf file, apples to bowling balls, not at all the same.

 

[navigatro]

So 300 hour pilots don't have the ability to fly jets?

Some better than others!

Big difference between AF UPT and what we have in this report.

But you are smart enough to know that.

PS shouldn't you be practicing your PLF's?

 

[CrewDawg]

Some better than others!

Big difference between AF UPT and what we have in this report.

But you are smart enough to know that.

PS shouldn't you be practicing your PLF's?

I fully agree with the poster, depending on the program. It seemed like a sweeping generalization of all 300 hour pilots. I went through a college 141 program and would have been nowhere near ready to fly for the regionals, at 300 hours. Heck even after instructing for a few hundred hours, I think it would have been pretty challenging.

But don't some of those ab initio programs, in Europe, get their guys flying at 300 hours? I'm sure it has it's flaws but isn't that how alot of the airlines do it over there? Is this incident the norm over there or is this just an isolated event?

I was not going to bring in the whole UPT thing, that is a whole different animal. As was stated before, that is like comparing apples to bowling balls.

Navigatro....PLF practice was few years ago . Haven't updated my profile in a bit.

Merry Christmas.....wait can I say that? Happy Holidays.

 

[PCL_128]

Geeez. How long is PCL gonna get thrown under the PFT bus around here.

I'm sure they'll keep it up for many more years. Doesn't bother me a bit, so I'm not too worried about it.

 

[sqwkvfr]

So 300 hour pilots don't have the ability to fly jets?

This FO took the cheapest and shortest route possible to get his UK CPL. It's called "modular," as opposed to the more structured "integrated" courses.

I'm not surprised that a modular student had to pay for a bridge course in order to get a job and subsequently pranged an airframe.