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PSA updated their pilot hiring page as of 2/9/09

more false hope, says they are not hiring, but accepting resumes

and

Competitive Qualifications are:
*1000 Total Hours
*500 Multi-Engine Hours
*or Previous 121, 135 or CRJ training.


is new

so, i love false hope, at least i dont feel like total ******************** today after seeing there was no attrition

http://psaairlines.net/employment/otheropenings.asp?RecordID=224



Sorry Piedmonsters for hijacking, but I love you guys, think of it as a tooth "poking."
 
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Back in 2003 the chief pilot came into class (company recurrent) and said "we're hoping to turn the Dash 8 into the next DC3


That's funny

 
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Hang in there Monsters. Your day will come, I dont know when but it will. You guys are too efficient of an airline and you do what you do well. Senority is everything no matter where you go. The ship that everyone else was jumping on a few years ago has sailed.
 
Metro752 said:
PSA updated their pilot hiring page as of 2/9/09

more false hope, says they are not hiring, but accepting resumes

and

Competitive Qualifications are:
*1000 Total Hours
*500 Multi-Engine Hours
*or Previous 121, 135 or CRJ training.


is new

so, i love false hope, at least i dont feel like total ******************** today after seeing there was no attrition

http://psaairlines.net/employment/otheropenings.asp?RecordID=224



Sorry Piedmonsters for hijacking, but I love you guys, think of it as a tooth "poking."
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I hate to be negative, but PDT said the same thing a few months back and now look where we are. Just saying don't get your hopes up...it just hurts more when things don't work out.
 
Accepting resumes does not imply hiring. If people would just understand that, it would save a lot of stress.

If its free to keep the resume pool fresh, why not do it? We were doing everything we could that did not cost money to be prepared to take over Mesa's Dash 8 flying out West. Since it appears they will be successful restructuring the bonds (with the exception of the rescinding of the recent 2024 bond agreement) our likelihood of going out West diminished to the point its not worth doing anything material.
 
I was in PHX the other day and saw a "HA" Dash. It looked lost out there. I just wanted to put a leash on it and lead it home.
 
twighead said:
This place is screwed. By the end of the year I will probably be a 4+ year FO on straight reserve. The only CA's left will be from MDT because everyone else will be furloughed.

I've stuck by this place when everyone else hired in the same year +/- 1 has pretty much left. I used to think that leaving so soon after being hired at PDT would be counter-productive to my career, but now I feel stupid for wasting my time. All those guys are captains on an E-170 now making more than double my pay with no end in sight.

If anyone starts hiring again I'm out of here.

P.S. I know none of you care, and will probably flame me for this post, but I had to get it out of my system.
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Hang in there. I wouldn't just leave for any place that is hiring. I have questions in my mind every now and then if leaving was the right choice. The PDT contract for QOL is pretty damn good for a regional. Other places will have work rules you don't like and aren't used to. You may have to commute again. Do you really want to sleep on the floor of a dirty basement? (Thanks for paying my rent by the way and letting me stay there for almost free!)

I will admit though, I may be on the bottom of the CA list where I am at, I feel more secure now. It seems my company is fighting for new flying (still a WO), whereas PDT never gave the impression they wanted anything more than Airways just gave them without them working for it. If you leave now, you'll be on straight reserve no matter where you go. I really don't think you'll be back to straight rsv. You're fairly senior in LGA. Pick your head up and smile with the schedule you have. Every airline is just about the same and none of them are very people/pilot oriented. They don't care about us as long as we fly the planes no matter what. Fly now, Grieve later.

Damnit, enjoy what you have. I sometimes wish I was still there. The Dash is downright the best turboprop to fly. Most reliable, best performance, most fun. PDT alomst has a cargo carrier attitude. The cowboy of 121 carriers. Who else can t/o or land with a 20 knot tailwind? 90 knot approach speed flaps 35? That's Cessna speeds.

I would trade my job and seniority for yours (the same I would have if I was still there) anyday. There is something to be said for QOL, which I don't have. I hope the best for everyone at PDT. If you need a pep talk about staying and the industry improving in the next 12-18 months, one of our former SYR CAs that left for mainline is the best source. I just talked to him the other day, and whether it happens or not, he predicts with good reasons, the industry is going to improve drastically in that time frame.

Either way, long time, no see, we need to catch up with a beer, and I'll be in NYC later this spring and will give you a shout.
 
MEL'ed said:
Hang in there. I wouldn't just leave for any place that is hiring. I have questions in my mind every now and then if leaving was the right choice. The PDT contract for QOL is pretty damn good for a regional. Other places will have work rules you don't like and aren't used to. You may have to commute again. Do you really want to sleep on the floor of a dirty basement? (Thanks for paying my rent by the way and letting me stay there for almost free!)

I will admit though, I may be on the bottom of the CA list where I am at, I feel more secure now. It seems my company is fighting for new flying (still a WO), whereas PDT never gave the impression they wanted anything more than Airways just gave them without them working for it. If you leave now, you'll be on straight reserve no matter where you go. I really don't think you'll be back to straight rsv. You're fairly senior in LGA. Pick your head up and smile with the schedule you have. Every airline is just about the same and none of them are very people/pilot oriented. They don't care about us as long as we fly the planes no matter what. Fly now, Grieve later.

Damnit, enjoy what you have. I sometimes wish I was still there. The Dash is downright the best turboprop to fly. Most reliable, best performance, most fun. PDT alomst has a cargo carrier attitude. The cowboy of 121 carriers. Who else can t/o or land with a 20 knot tailwind? 90 knot approach speed flaps 35? That's Cessna speeds.

I would trade my job and seniority for yours (the same I would have if I was still there) anyday. There is something to be said for QOL, which I don't have. I hope the best for everyone at PDT. If you need a pep talk about staying and the industry improving in the next 12-18 months, one of our former SYR CAs that left for mainline is the best source. I just talked to him the other day, and whether it happens or not, he predicts with good reasons, the industry is going to improve drastically in that time frame.

Either way, long time, no see, we need to catch up with a beer, and I'll be in NYC later this spring and will give you a shout.
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Twighead,

There you go. Right out of the mouth of someone that has been here and left.

I would just stick it out. Things might start to shake up now that it looks like ALPA legal is gonna start working on our side with the flowthru.

Who knows, but I think you leaving after 4 years would be a grave mistake.


Good Luck on with whatever you do.
 
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MEL'ed said:
Hang in there. I wouldn't just leave for any place that is hiring. I have questions in my mind every now and then if leaving was the right choice. The PDT contract for QOL is pretty damn good for a regional. Other places will have work rules you don't like and aren't used to. You may have to commute again. Do you really want to sleep on the floor of a dirty basement? (Thanks for paying my rent by the way and letting me stay there for almost free!)

I will admit though, I may be on the bottom of the CA list where I am at, I feel more secure now. It seems my company is fighting for new flying (still a WO), whereas PDT never gave the impression they wanted anything more than Airways just gave them without them working for it. If you leave now, you'll be on straight reserve no matter where you go. I really don't think you'll be back to straight rsv. You're fairly senior in LGA. Pick your head up and smile with the schedule you have. Every airline is just about the same and none of them are very people/pilot oriented. They don't care about us as long as we fly the planes no matter what. Fly now, Grieve later.

Damnit, enjoy what you have. I sometimes wish I was still there. The Dash is downright the best turboprop to fly. Most reliable, best performance, most fun. PDT alomst has a cargo carrier attitude. The cowboy of 121 carriers. Who else can t/o or land with a 20 knot tailwind? 90 knot approach speed flaps 35? That's Cessna speeds.

I would trade my job and seniority for yours (the same I would have if I was still there) anyday. There is something to be said for QOL, which I don't have. I hope the best for everyone at PDT. If you need a pep talk about staying and the industry improving in the next 12-18 months, one of our former SYR CAs that left for mainline is the best source. I just talked to him the other day, and whether it happens or not, he predicts with good reasons, the industry is going to improve drastically in that time frame.

Either way, long time, no see, we need to catch up with a beer, and I'll be in NYC later this spring and will give you a shout.
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Where do you work at?? your opinion/coment would carry a bit more weight if we knew where you work at......if you don't want to tell us (for whatever reason), its cool
 
CALRepublic said:
Where do you work at?? your opinion/coment would carry a bit more weight if we knew where you work at......if you don't want to tell us (for whatever reason), its cool
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Unless its Mesa it doesn't really matter. We all suck in one way or the other.

Some fly cool airplanes that pay sh$t. Some have good contracts that fly Sh$t. Some fly okay planes with okay contracts with no upgrades in sight. Some pay sh&t and have a sh&t contract but offer fast upgrades.

So really does it matter. I think we are all found somewhere in there.
 
WSurf said:
Unless its Mesa it doesn't really matter. We all suck in one way or the other.

Some fly cool airplanes that pay sh$t. Some have good contracts that fly Sh$t. Some fly okay planes with okay contracts with no upgrades in sight. Some pay sh&t and have a sh&t contract but offer fast upgrades.

So really does it matter. I think we are all found somewhere in there.
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Appreciate all the advice guys.

...and he's a former PDT who now works at Mesaba
 
[MY OPINION, WITH RELEVANT FACTS]

Twig-

This is exactly what SF wants, because this is how SF gets. When we were floating Q400 rates, one senior CA very much begged certain powers that be to roll over and accept current 100 payrates for possible LTPs on property.

Why?

He was terrified. And he wasn't alone. He and his ilk were staring down the barrel of a bunch of much younger, much less pensioned (!!), much less paid and therefore having much less to lose pilots willing to burn this place down. It was all so much a chimera on a turd tower we now know, but the night time whatifs strike hard and powerfully.

That's one WAYYYY senior view of how things can look threatening or just downright terrible- and the reaction thereto.

Your reaction to this damned frustrating turn of events is absolutely warranted, but don't let it burn you out. It will win, and by extension, so will management.

Sit back, take a breath, look around.

If ANYTHING, you're in the most understaffed base, far from the bottom systemwide, and are for now making a paycheck. That's the absolute minimum way of looking at this place- and don't let the feeling of a stagnating career or your back against the wall lead to giving in to the spiraling sheetstorm that will keep you up late.

You probably won't have to move bases. I almost certainly will, unless I downgrade. Downgrade isn't nearly as bad to me as a forced commute- a base closure/realignment is my nightmare of nightmares. In fact, a downgrade would be an extreme boost to my QOL. And it won't happen until I'm forced to do so.

We are so far from the bottom of this thing, too. Hold tight- it's going to be a rough, rough ride. Don't let this burn you out. Show up, work, go home- and leave this place in the crew room.

When the time comes and the decision is to be made, pull the ripcord and shout "AMF, SUCK IT!" Don't look back. But for now, don't fret. There are many, many worse places to be (on the street!??) until it all picks up again.
 
Sig said:
[MY OPINION, WITH RELEVANT FACTS]

Twig-

This is exactly what SF wants, because this is how SF gets. When we were floating Q400 rates, one senior CA very much begged certain powers that be to roll over and accept current 100 payrates for possible LTPs on property.

Why?

He was terrified. And he wasn't alone. He and his ilk were staring down the barrel of a bunch of much younger, much less pensioned (!!), much less paid and therefore having much less to lose pilots willing to burn this place down. It was all so much a chimera on a turd tower we now know, but the night time whatifs strike hard and powerfully.

That's one WAYYYY senior view of how things can look threatening or just downright terrible- and the reaction thereto.

Your reaction to this damned frustrating turn of events is absolutely warranted, but don't let it burn you out. It will win, and by extension, so will management.

Sit back, take a breath, look around.

If ANYTHING, you're in the most understaffed base, far from the bottom systemwide, and are for now making a paycheck. That's the absolute minimum way of looking at this place- and don't let the feeling of a stagnating career or your back against the wall lead to giving in to the spiraling sheetstorm that will keep you up late.

You probably won't have to move bases. I almost certainly will, unless I downgrade. Downgrade isn't nearly as bad to me as a forced commute- a base closure/realignment is my nightmare of nightmares. In fact, a downgrade would be an extreme boost to my QOL. And it won't happen until I'm forced to do so.

We are so far from the bottom of this thing, too. Hold tight- it's going to be a rough, rough ride. Don't let this burn you out. Show up, work, go home- and leave this place in the crew room.

When the time comes and the decision is to be made, pull the ripcord and shout "AMF, SUCK IT!" Don't look back. But for now, don't fret. There are many, many worse places to be (on the street!??) until it all picks up again.
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I hear what you guys are saying. I probably won't be going anywhere, and I will show up and do my job. There are definitely those out there that are worse off than me and I am trying to stay positive. Overall, I am fairly satisfied working here and I wouldn't leave this place for just any flying job.

The main problem is I used to believe that we were a piece of the future for US Airways, even if it was a small one. I no longer believe that. I go into work now and pretty much feel like the only thing I'm doing is being a place holder for US Air LGA slots until they can find something better and then drop us.

There is no investment into this company of any kind- airplanes, avionics, software for scheduling or payroll, the list goes on and on. (aside from things we get for free from the FAA or other companies). Not even when the economy was good. This place is almost archaic- we don't even have company email.

I know other regionals can easily fail too, but it won't be for the same reasons as PDT. They may fail for economic reasons, but at least they try to invest into new equipment, flying and improving their position. We do none of those things and it is frustrating and depressing.

I know there are good things at PDT also, and for the most part I like working here and I like flying with all (most :p) you guys. There is a lot of potential for things to get better here and it just seems to be wasted. Anyway, I'm sure I'll be here with everyone else to sink with this ship.

P.S. If that CA you were talking about has a last intial of "T", I really dislike that DB.
 
Ahahaha, Have you be T****rtized Twighead??? I personally love his recent exploits feathering that engine because of a bad gauge.....

Lot's of Senior Papi's stewing the doom and gloom in the crew room. Hopefully the company offers early retirement to those guys; for their sake and ours.
 
Best of luck to all the Piedmonsters. My short stint their was some of the most fun I have had with my clothes on! :blush:
 
zasca said:
Ahahaha, Have you be T****rtized Twighead??? I personally love his recent exploits feathering that engine because of a bad gauge.....

Lot's of Senior Papi's stewing the doom and gloom in the crew room. Hopefully the company offers early retirement to those guys; for their sake and ours.
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Rofl depsite numerous swaps I still get T*****tized once in a while. I don't think I have heard about this feathering incident you speak of though. Do tell.

I do have a couple of good stories about him, but they are better told in person :)
 
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I'll be the one who goes to bat for the ol' T since he was one of the ones who went to bat for me when I needed it, and turned out to be a good friend to boot even before that happened.

Get to know the guy, and you'll probably end up liking him. He's a good egg all around. First time I met / flew with the guy I didn't think we'd end up getting along too well. I was wrong about that. Go have a beer with the guy and you'll see what I mean.

I heard a short and condensed version of the feathering thing, and it's exactly what I would have done. Also what the checklist says to do.
 
I have also feathered it because of an oil transmitter. That's what the checklist says to do. How do you know that it's just the gauge?
 
OPECJet said:
I'll be the one who goes to bat for the ol' T since he was one of the ones who went to bat for me when I needed it, and turned out to be a good friend to boot even before that happened.

Get to know the guy, and you'll probably end up liking him. He's a good egg all around. First time I met / flew with the guy I didn't think we'd end up getting along too well. I was wrong about that. Go have a beer with the guy and you'll see what I mean.

I heard a short and condensed version of the feathering thing, and it's exactly what I would have done. Also what the checklist says to do.
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I agree... Not being there I wouldn't want to second guess the captain in question. "T" is particular and an occassional trail to his FOs, but he knows the airplane.

That being said I do believe the checklist says to shut the engine down if you get the ENG OIL PRESS warning light OR if the pressure is noted below 40 psi. If you noticed the pressure was on the low side... It could be a bad gauge, or you could have a faulty pressure switch for the light. I think that is why the checklist reads the way it does.
 
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We had a lot of oil press sensor failures in the D328. I got one during cruise and just reduced power to idle for a minute and then the engine seized up. It actually wasn't a sensor problem, it was real.
 
As a new capt many years ago, I found one of those oil pressure gauges reading on the low side and tapped it with the back of my cross pen until the glass shattered.... showed it who the boss was!
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Captzaahlie said:
As a new capt many years ago, I found one of those oil pressure gauges reading on the low side and tapped it with the back of my cross pen until the glass shattered.... showed it who the boss was!
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That's a good one.....:smash:

Did something similar with a master caution light. It wouldn't come on, so I kept pushing it until the smoke came out. Oops....
 

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