PCL off the Runway in TVC--no injuries

[DrunkIrishman]

Here goes ..................................

Was the captain a GIA wonder, or was the FO fresh out of JetU???

Actually, I was wondering why Bombardier makes such rotten landing gear that it keeps failing. ASA had one fail in ATL a few years back. Who needs trailing-link gear anyway.

 

[TurboAWD]

It is not unusual for mainline to do stuff like this up there, but I don't remember everyone saying those pilots are idiots...

Bottom line is we don't know what happened, so take it easy.

The CA is a good pilot, and a good guy, flying with a VERY junior FO.

The Airlines have been pushing the FAA for decades not to give real guidance for braking action/landing requirements because it would result in more delays/CX. They are willing to deal with the fact that every once in a while one will go off. Even killing that little boy in MDW didn't get it done.

Turbo

 

[PUNISHER]

Here is another local news article/picture

http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=115408

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Even killing that little boy in MDW didn't get it done.

It did at ASA. We must calculate actual ldg dist for every landing based on the actual wx conditions at the time of landing. We also have to add some extra concrete to make sure we get it right. I believe several other carriers are also doing this.

Carry on.

 

[PUNISHER]

Another photo/article

http://www.record-eagle.com/2007/apr/12skid.htm

 

[mynameisjim]

http://www.record-eagle.com/2007/apr/12crash.jpg

I always wondered what it'd be like walking down the steps with a collapsed nose gear. Weird angles and such.

Ow my ankle! Don't push!

 

[dueguard1]

I heard the FO was on OE fresh out of training...less than a thousand total

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Sounds like a great outcome from a bean counter's perspective. Which is- "Any landing that gets the passengers in fewer than two pieces near the terminal is a good one."

 

[DiverDriver]

Having had an interesting experience at TVC I'll tell yah that they aren't always accurate with the braking action reports even if you get one. Was reported as BA fair to poor and 50 feet wide plowed. Yah, it wasn't the center 50 feet plowed it was the 50 feet right of centerline so I had one main in the snow and one on plowed pavement and the nose gear back and forth through both. I called BA poor and the tower responded with "Roger, fair to poor." I said "NO! Just POOR!!" Yah, I'm "that guy" who closed the airport. So what? I was in a CRJ and it was tense. Had we not planted it right on the TDZ markers we might not have made it by the end of that 6,500ft.

 

[DoinTime]

Braking action was reported good last night in TVC at the time of the incident with MU readings of 40 all the way down the runway.

 

[flyf15]

Anyone know the N#? Does it look like a writeoff?

 

[The_Russian]

If they went back to props, this wouldn't happen!

:smash:

Glad everyone is ok.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Props are for kids... Oh wait a minute...

 

[BoilerUP]

Braking action was reported good last night in TVC at the time of the incident with MU readings of 40 all the way down the runway.

MEMPHIS, TN, Apr 12, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX News Network) -- Pinnacle Airlines (NASDAQ: PNCL) flight 4712 operating between Minneapolis - St. Paul and Traverse City, Michigan has been involved in an incident at Traverse City. Flight 4712 departed Minneapolis at 9:44 p.m. and landed in Traverse City at 12:43 a.m. The aircraft, a Canadair Regional Jet, was carrying a crew of 3 and 46 customers. Upon landing, the aircraft received no braking action and came to a stop off the end of the runway. There are no injuries reported to passengers or crew.

 

[Occam's Razor]

Most importantly:

1. We're they wearing their hats?
2. Joe Merchant sez: Probable cause = lack of Brand Scope. (he's suing!)
3. If they put that RJ on a treadmill...
4. We now know the advantages of rear-mounted engines!
5. Didja hear what Imus called the F/O?
6. [insert jetBlue cabin-cleaning quip here]!!
7. Age 65 will eliminate this sort of thing, according to kwick
8. Wait a couple of days and a NWA DC-9 will be right there with 'em! (Now that's Brand Scope!)
9. Note to denizens of TVC: Lengthen your runway or buy a Jeep!
10.Who needs the NTSB? The brain trust has this all figured out!

 

[WildBlue]

Most importantly:

1. We're they wearing their hats?
2. Joe Merchant sez: Probable cause = lack of Brand Scope. (he's suing!)
3. If they put that RJ on a treadmill...
4. We now know the advantages of rear-mounted engines!
5. Didja hear what Imus called the F/O?
6. [insert jetBlue cabin-cleaning quip here]!!
7. Age 65 will eliminate this sort of thing, according to kwick
8. Wait a couple of days and a NWA DC-9 will be right there with 'em! (Now that's Brand Scope!)
9. Note to denizens of TVC: Lengthen your runway or buy a Jeep!
10.Who needs the NTSB? The brain trust has this all figured out!

That's some very funny stuff.

Capt is a really good guy, good pilot and ALPA volunteer. He was doing OE with a new hire FO. Don't know anything about the FO. This guy is a very solid Capt with lots of time and perfect record. The only problem with the Capt is that he does thinks "brand-scope" is going to solve this problem.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I think the important question is did the FO get signed off or not.

 

[JohnnyDrama]

I know both crewmembers personally. The CA is a great pilot and a great guy, and has helped lots of pilots through his involvment in ALPA. Neither one was from any sh!tty low time program. Hold off on all the quarterbacking, have a beer and be glad nothing like this has happened to you yet....Be safe.

 

[wmudriver]

Glad everyone is ok and no one got hurt.

Look at the metar for the time area the airplane was supposed to land. Did not look like it would be fun conducting IOE into this.

 

[SEVEN]

Glad everyone is ok and no one got hurt.

Look at the metar for the time area the airplane was supposed to land. Did not look like it would be fun conducting IOE into this.

What was the wx at the time?