PAX complain @ crew line-jumping

[WMUSIGPI]

MCO has designated Crew lines, shared with wheel chair pax.. I would think the airlines would require this at the airports they service, after all it is in their best interest to get the crews to work on time to prep the flight.. I don't get it.. why would this even be a ALPA concern in the first place... seems common sense to me.. Never said the airlines were smart..The TSA is a total feel good joke anyway

My company makes it the crews' problem to deal with getting through security on thier own. We are "at rest" until and required to be at the departure gate 30 minutes prior to scheduled departure, so we have to judge the time (while on rest) it will take to get from the hotel and through security to make the 30 minute time. Not much of a problem for the Saab as most stations allow bypass but on the jet most don't and of course it's mostly large airports with long lines. Nothing like leaving the hotel 1 hour before starting on duty for the day to deal with set van times, long drives, and then long lines (think DEN)

 

[mynameisjim]

Get this. At GoJet airlines they make the report time :45 prior to departure at the gate. This means, every time you see a GoJet crewmember hustling it through the security point they are on REST. They are so scared of being late they will climb over anything and everybody.

Sucks! It's the same at two airlines I've worked at. I'd be curious to know who has which policy, gate or airport.

 

[relief tube]

lots of crews think they're unconditionally entitled to the front of a security line. While true in theory, this is where consideration can come into place.

After my ID gets checked, I look at my watch. If the line is 7 minutes long but the van got us here 20 minutes early, then I don't cut. If the line is 5 minutes long and I have 4 minutes to get to the plane, then yeah, I need to cut.

But to always cut and then go to the bookstore for 10 minutes to kill time, thats wrong.

 

[Kermit_D_Frog]

lots of crews think they're unconditionally entitled to the front of a security line. While true in theory, this is where consideration can come into place.

After my ID gets checked, I look at my watch. If the line is 7 minutes long but the van got us here 20 minutes early, then I don't cut. If the line is 5 minutes long and I have 4 minutes to get to the plane, then yeah, I need to cut.

But to always cut and then go to the bookstore for 10 minutes to kill time, thats wrong.

No, it is wrong that we have to go through security at all. I'll cut every time and do as little of this circus act as possible because I shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

 

[densoo]

No, it is wrong that we have to go through security at all. I'll cut every time and do as little of this circus act as possible because I shouldn't have to do it in the first place.

Pilots don't have to be rude about it, but I agree, if everyone cuts in front it might accelerate the end of this charade and get CrewPass implemented sooner.

I think it will be one airport at a time, generally, but I could also envision an airline deciding that they were going to implement an LAS-type setup at all their hubs and spin it to their elite/first class as a benefit.

 

[Fins Up]

I go to the front, or close to it, every time. My business once through security is my business. I don't need some pax questioning why on one day we need to go to the front and on other days we don't.

 

[GogglesPisano]

It's no different than physicians' parking at hospitals. Then again, I'm sure the same types of people that complain about crews complain about that as well.

 

[beagle pilot]

Another perfect example of what a joke ALPA is. How long have they been touting crew pass? Throw a crumb out here and there and the membership won't notice what a lame duck organization they are or exactly how much money they are raking in. This crap could be stopped instantly.

You should reread the previous post. ALPA is pushing for it but until the airlines (you know, the folks with the money) get behind the idea then it is like pushing a wet noodle. Crewpass costs money. Unless you think we should pay for it through ALPA, then I respectfully suggest we stop undercutting our own union and support it instead.

 

[Fins Up]

You should reread the previous post. ALPA is pushing for it but until the airlines (you know, the folks with the money) get behind the idea then it is like pushing a wet noodle. Crewpass costs money. Unless you think we should pay for it through ALPA, then I respectfully suggest we stop undercutting our own union and support it instead.

That's the problem. It comes down to money. Are the airlines going to pay for it? I doubt it. Why would they? Should the pilots have to pay for it? Hell no. Who then. Ask congress I guess. Good luck with that.

 

[Tripower455]

Who pays for it so that the rampers, cleaners, gate agents and pretty much everyone except pilots can bypass passenger screening?

 

[Fins Up]

Who pays for it so that the rampers, cleaners, gate agents and pretty much everyone except pilots can bypass passenger screening?

I agree with you that it's ridiculous that the folks who's background are most scrutinized - us - have to go through security while rampers and agents have free reign of the terminal.

I'm just saying this is a "new system" that costs money and no one wants to pay for it.

It's total BS in both respects.

 

[Tripower455]

I agree with you that it's ridiculous that the folks who's background are most scrutinized - us - have to go through security while rampers and agents have free reign of the terminal.

I'm just saying this is a "new system" that costs money and no one wants to pay for it.

It's total BS in both respects.

Totally agreed.....

My point is that there is obviously a system in place already that allows "trusted" employees (which is pretty much everyone except pilots and FAs) to bypass passenger screening. Why are we different? We have, as a rule, far more complete and verifiable backround checks than most ground ops types, which is the only real difference that I can think of. Oh, and that we "look good" submitting to pax screening.

Crewpass and it's "cost" is nothing more than a smokescreen for the real reason, which is eyewash.

How about we just get tacked on to "ProvisionerPass" like we used to?