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rcbullock

rcbullock

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Here's the big secret:

Know your flows, callouts, memory items and limitations COLD before the sim. So cold, you can do them at any time if I were to jump out at you and say 'After Landing Flow' you could do it, then, '10000' climbing flow' and you'd rattle off that.

'2 Engine Go around callouts!' (for BOTH PNF and PF)

The problem IMHO is getting all that memorized in the short amount of time that you have.

1st day of class to my first checkride was 51 days. I wasn't quite ready. With the two extra sims and a week to study more, I was.

If you come here, just get with someone and study study study. It's doable but it will take a lot of work on your part. They don't hold your hand at all. Frankly, there are cheap or free things they could do but don't IMHO.

Use the mentors. JB (GB?) the guy who holds classes in his basement is the man. Why he doesn't work in the training department, I'll never understand, but I think it's a union thing.


Questions?
 
rcbullock said:
Here's the big secret:

Know your flows, callouts, memory items and limitations COLD before the sim. So cold, you can do them at any time if I were to jump out at you and say 'After Landing Flow' you could do it, then, '10000' climbing flow' and you'd rattle off that.

'2 Engine Go around callouts!' (for BOTH PNF and PF)

The problem IMHO is getting all that memorized in the short amount of time that you have.

1st day of class to my first checkride was 51 days. I wasn't quite ready. With the two extra sims and a week to study more, I was.

If you come here, just get with someone and study study study. It's doable but it will take a lot of work on your part. They don't hold your hand at all. Frankly, there are cheap or free things they could do but don't IMHO.
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The above applies to just about any airplane at just about any airline.
 
Settle down JR.....you haven't been to a TSA training event yet.

RC.....congrats on the checkride. Remember what level of proficiency you are at now - they will expect that at EVERY PC......period.

Hopefully you will leave for a better job by then.........
 
Nice job! Yeah PC checks suck. Stay in the books it will make your life SO SO So much easier for your next PC or upgrade. Just read a chapter a week or so. Again congrats now get drinking.....build your tolerance, its the airlines!
 
Pc

Yep, I've already started going through my memory items and limitations for my PC. NOT.

But seriously, I plan to take a little section of the airplane manual along every now and then and study as you say a tiny bit at a time.

Like eating an elephant.

Plus of course I'll have the SOP with me all the time.
 
I'm confused here. From the sound of it, you passed you "re-check" and is second check ride? What happened the first time?

And your secrets to passing the check ride....aren't secrets.
 
Welcome to the pilot shortage boys... enjoy the ride.
 
Blucher said:
Yeah, no kidding! Is this a joke RC? Please tell me this is flame bait. If not, please don't ever fly anyone I love.

-Blucher
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I dont think so. He has a webpage linked to his screen name.
Here is a quote.

"The story of my life. I fail then I succeed. Really, I think at 36 my character has had as much building as it can stand. This time it IMHO wasn't because I wasn't working hard, unlike those Algebra and American History courses I flunked in High School."
 
What did he do to you? If you don't want someone who has failed a training event at TSA to fly your loved ones, better not put them on TSA.

Congrats rc.
 
Shrek said:
Settle down JR.....you haven't been to a TSA training event yet.
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I heard from a friend that flies there that you are pretty much on your own all through training. They don't give you any help and if you fail its out the door you go. Are they that big of Nazi's in the training dept?
 
We were told on out first day director of training. "Red tab, Pink Tabs read them every night."
We were told by ground instructors and our sim instructor. "We're not here to help you with the oral"

Last time I checked, most airlines leave it solely up to the pilots to pass their own rides. Hell, we wanted to be professional pilots. If you can sit down and read the manuals, take what they have told in class that day. Then why should you be in the industry?

I know it isn't for the big cash.

They're not going to be like your CFI back in the day, sticking around after hours to help you, and calling you to make sure you've studied.

Some people are lucky these days that the companies are allowing retakes on rides.
 
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Get real close with your SIM partner and things will work out but if you aren't studying harder than you ever have - then you are relying on a DE that hates his job as much - as much as you will yours in due time-to decide your resume for the future......

BUT the industry knows the "reputation" that the TSA training department has.

ALSO.....our Mentoring Program in place there is one of the best respected guys in the company. He will explain things over at HIS house on HIS dime and his wife will probably feed ya too !! He made a paper tiger in his basement (yup his dime)....if anybody in training says to himself ahhh I should be ok - CALL HIM ASAP.

It is easier to fix it BEFORE the 1st checkride than to try to recover after.

Good luck.....get your minimum time required there and BOLT...........

FRANK WAS RIGHT !!!!!!
 
Some people are lucky these days that the companies are allowing retakes on rides.[/quote]


What about the programs that train to proficiency. A few regionals, and majors. Never hear about those. Their are those that haven't and those who will. You seriously think in your pro career you won't have a bad day? I doubt that.
 
LavMan said:
Some people are lucky these days that the companies are allowing retakes on rides.
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What about the programs that train to proficiency. A few regionals, and majors. Never hear about those. Their are those that haven't and those who will. You seriously think in your pro career you won't have a bad day? I doubt that.[/quote]

We were told that in ground as well. If you can't do it right the 1st, 2nd or 3rd time. Then they will just teach you until you can do it. Not the case. But yes, I have heard airlines are doing special training, based around their Op's Specs.

I think after we were told this, some guys figured they were in. They're no longer here.

They even broke up the check ride into 3 seperate events. after your first 3 sim sessions, you need to complete the Validation Procedures : Flows, call outs, memeory items profiles and what not.

Then you're 2 more sim sessions and you have Maneuvers Validations : V1 cuts, single engine approaches. CAT II's as NFP ( since FO's are allowed to shoot them in real life) single apprach missed, no flappers and a couple other manuevers.

Then there is the LOFT and then the LOE....which is your checkride.

Sure guys have a bad day, get nervous on the checkride. But where is the line you draw, when you're pushing people through, just to get guys online? (not refering to the poster of this thread)
 
Congrats!

I took another job before I had to go back for recurrent. Got on with a carrier that operated 180 degrees from the status quo at TSA. A lot seems to have changed since then, and from what I hear it is for the best (at least from a checkride standpoint.)
 
Yup standard stuff here at TSA....their training department lacks ....for sure not the instructors but its not setup as it should be very do it yourself. Not to say that any 121 program has a level of do it yourself and self study! If you dont understand stuff on IOE ask questions lots of questions...Congrats on the recheck!

Cheers,
Stinker
 
Congrats RC! I don't care what anybody else says. TSA training is harder than a lot of others. You should be proud you made it through at all. The bad news is that now you work at Trans States.

The only good thing is that passing training here may make you a little more marketable when you go to apply at a real regional.

A buddy of mine took two attempts to pass at TSA. Later he went to interview at one of the "good" regionals and was asked about failed checkrides. He started to mention what happen at Trans States and before he could get the rest of the story out, the interviewer laughed and said, "oh yeah don't worry about that. We've heard all about that place." He got the job and managed to escape. Good luck!
 
RCBulluck: You live in Houston? Then what the Hell are you doing at a place like TSA? You should have gone to XJT, hometown airline, live in your base. What'sa matter you?????????
 
I don't want to bust anyone on this, but in 18 years of airline flying and 3 121 jobs I can honestly say that that sounds fairly normal. At my first jet job we had to practically learn to build a 727 in three weeks. The oral was givin by crusty old flight engineers who hated pilots and you thought you got off easy if it was over in 3 hours. My point? Study hard. Make friends with your Sim partner. Co-operate and graduate. Then, get out on the line and have some fun flying. Lord knows that operating the A/C is the only good thing left in this buisness.

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