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Outsourcing alert... UAL/Aer Lingus!!

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Mike Oxlong said:
they probably have more resumes than they know what to do with...so truly the title is correct, so long jobs
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You think? Read again!

* FAA - ATPL with current A330 rating or JAA - ATPL with current A330 rating*.

*Please note: In the event that we do not receive sufficient applicants with the required A330 rating, we will accept applications from First Officers who hold a current EU/JAA licence with an A320 rating and a minimum of 1000 hours on type.

How many pilots out there meet just those qualifications? UAL, NWA, Frontier, Jetblue etc. fly A320 but I doubt there'll be more than a handful pilots that have an A320 JAA type rating!

A330 - NWA and USAir, and I doubt their pilots leave their jobs for this. There are much better A330 jobs out there in Asia!
 
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I really did hear that thanks to the DOT, who MEL the requirements for two pilots, this will be the first ever single pilot FAR Part I Don't Know Operations based in the United States and that rumor seems to hold much water since they are only looking for FOs.

The Irish: "American Captains! You are not worth the paper you wipe with. Irish captain are superior and should rightfully inherit their place in the cockpit of any Aerlingus aircraft".

Hey "pilotyip"! Bet you didn't see that one coming in your defeatest little brain. AND you "REZ"! It was the lack of leadership in ALPA that "deep six" any chance of a finely tuned grass root effort to address this issue last summer when the old fart from Continental took the high road.

Lets see if the American aviators have what it takes. Instead of blasting the comments here on FI, I like the previous idea of posting your thoughts to the recruitment web site. Any takers?
 
I guarantee that unlike in Europe, they are no US pilots (minus the few expat out there) out of work that are current and qualified on the A330 but the story is different for the ton of A320 types pulling weekly unemployment checks. The JAA requirement is just that. To prevent them from getting EU jobs. A foreign company comes into town to hire but can’t fine qualified applicants domestically so they petition to import the jobs from elsewhere. Better known as "Sponsorship", a practice permitted within the labor and immigrations laws of the land. Years ago it was commonly used to hire from domestic helpers and farm laborers, to scientist and engineers, then expanded to nurses and the IT types. Now it's our turn and that’s where UAL comes in. So our government couldn't see beyond first row of trees on this one. Open Skies my a$$.
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I am not sure I completely understand you. The 320 candidates must have a JAA A320 type and hold a US citizenship (or Green Card). I don't think there are a lot of pilots out there that meet this requirement. Additionally, I think A330 pay in Euroland is higher than in the US.

Just my $.02
 
Dornier 335 said:
I am not sure I completely understand you. The 320 candidates must have a JAA A320 type and hold a US citizenship (or Green Card). I don't think there are a lot of pilots out there that meet this requirement. Additionally, I think A330 pay in Euroland is higher than in the US.

Just my $.02
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Exactly my point if you were to read through the entire post (yeah! I know it long). It's not about pay but about PROTECTIONISM, which is very much alive but not addressed by the people you vote for every election, and who continue to approve all these new alliances and code shares. A JAA A320 rating is required to FILTER out Americans with FAA certificates. In addition, where are the Captains coming from but the ranks of Aerlingus pilots. I haven't seen a recruitment drive to fill those positions.

The idea of posting FO openings is simply to show that they are "attempting" to recruit Americans. Now understanding that you will be rejected, and regardless of your desire to work or not work with this outfit, the potential fuel that a bunch of rejection letters will provide those of us trying to fire up the movement to address this disease would be helpful.
 
Is this going to be a US or EU AOC? Anyway, I'm sure there are 330 drivers overseas that would like to get out of the sandpit. They will have no problem recruiting, and if ALPA permits it, that's their own damn fault.
 
So what exactly would it take for ALPA to start thinking about SOS...AerLingus management demanding prima nocta with the teenage daughters of UA pilots?

Oh, I forgot...with Randy Babbitt and John Prater, we're going to start "taking back this profession."

What a sick joke. Well, at least we can finally stick a fork in this profession.
 
Rez and PCL- this is the backdoor deal non- communication lack of leadership from alpa that a lot have been talking about.

IF ALPA's doing anything about this- now is the time to post it.
 
Somebody that doesn't meet their height requirements should apply and then sue. If you got a first class medical and a 330 type rating they can't discriminate against you unless they can prove it's necessary for the job - which it isn't. In fact...under US law the only way you might be able to get away with asking these types of questions is to give a conditional offer of employment first. Give these guys a dose of the US system.
 
Dornier 335 said:
You think? Read again!

* FAA - ATPL with current A330 rating or JAA - ATPL with current A330 rating*.

*Please note: In the event that we do not receive sufficient applicants with the required A330 rating, we will accept applications from First Officers who hold a current EU/JAA licence with an A320 rating and a minimum of 1000 hours on type.

How many pilots out there meet just those qualifications? UAL, NWA, Frontier, Jetblue etc. fly A320 but I doubt there'll be more than a handful pilots that have an A320 JAA type rating!

A330 - NWA and USAir, and I doubt their pilots leave their jobs for this. There are much better A330 jobs out there in Asia!
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Exactly. The point is they want Europeans to staff these former United flying jobs for less money. Needn't we all apply?
 
Perhaps you missed it. They're not planning on paying the pilots whether dollars or euros. Paying the pilots would imply they plan to fairly compensate pilots for the economic value they provide the enterprise. It is clear they will employ pilots but I don't think they are going to be paying pilots...if you catch my drift.
 
sqwkvfr said:
Do any of you guys making these comments understand that most European carriers pay better than most US majors and that this is an attempt to use US pilots to undercut EU pilots?
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That's not exactly true. Generally, First Officers at most European (EU or otherwise) carriers make much less money than their American counterparts. Does it really matter what the motive might be? What really matters is that quality jobs are going to a global market place where US pilots are not really allowed to benefit while both companys (UAL and AerLingus) continue to layoff workers. And if it succeeds you might not be so immuned after all because other airlines will be jumping all over it including the one you work for. Hopefully by the time you figure out the motive it not too late for you.

What we need is comprehensive discussion on this rapidly spreading disease. For starters, the objection loudly voiced by 60,000 PROFESSIONAL Airline Pilots to SHUT IT DOWN...
 
UALRATT said:
That's not exactly true. Generally, First Officers at most European (EU or otherwise) carriers make much less money than their American counterparts.
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That is actually completely incorrect. In fact, FO pay is one of the bright spots when comparing compensation across the pond.

Regardless, overall, American compensation is far behind that of most, if not all, EU carriers. We ARE the cheap labor.

It kills me to hear comments such as "SWA pilots are the highest paid 737 pilots in the free world." Whoever came up with this statement needs to look at transavia.com's compensation. All they operate are 73s, they work a 4 on-3 off schedule, and STARTING vacation benefits allow them 2 MONTHS off every year.
 
I enjoyed entering my resume.

It began: "You are Irish Scabs. Good Luck ...."

Fingers crossed:) :)

It was liberating. Give it a shot.
 
CaptSeth said:
Is this going to be a US or EU AOC? Anyway, I'm sure there are 330 drivers overseas that would like to get out of the sandpit. They will have no problem recruiting, and if ALPA permits it, that's their own damn fault.
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Allow it? Well Ill bet that ALPA will become so angry that they will send out an email telling everyone how angry that they are. And that will be the end of it.

I bet you that you cant find a single person who is actually qualified to work there who has even heard of Freedom and Go Jets. Not their problem! There are no consequences for going to an alter ego carrier. When there are concequences people will stop going to them. Until then it will continue to be every man for himself.

Now that it affects United I am sure that ALPA will look into it.
 

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