Our "Team" leader out to lunch

[dime line]

"M" had his meeting tonight in Dallas. There were 30 pilots and a dozen mechanics in Dallas. 2 pilots went, Jody Leverknight and Tom Parks were in attendance. What a great turnout.

You knew she would be there, I bet there is a sceret handshake between him and her.

But that was a great turnout.

 

[B19 Flyer]

What part of NetJets or FLOPS not being 121 dont you understand? Get it through your thick skull, they are 135, 91, 91k... How about comparing apples to apples.

I've worked in 91K, 135 on demand, 135 scheduled, 121 supplemental and 121 scheduled. We all operate under 91 (that was boneheaded by you to include that one)

It is apples to apples. 135 and 91K are both under Part 119 and hold OpSpecs/Mspecs. Just like every other certificated carrier out there.

And to be even more specific, Part 135 is identical to Part 121 Supplemental, but it is for small airplanes with 30 or less seats set to a higher safety standard.

Part 91 is for everybody, so that leaves only one difference, which is the thing about 91K.

91K was developed to match up with Part 135 rules.

So, we are back to the original thought. You haven't a clue as to what you are talking about, you are ignorant, don't understand the industry and have a very thick skull in realizing that when a union member makes a statement that they would rather see the company fail than give the rest of the employees the right to having free will, the union victory will be identical to that at Eastern.

Boy, the union showed Eastern a thing or two, didn't they!

If you do what Hobbes is suggesting, then it is very much apples to apples. It doesn't make any difference what kind of company it is. Everybody loses when there is a union.

 

[B19 Flyer]

So how did it feel to cross the picket line Bob? How did you wife feel about it? Do you feel like you did the honorable thing?

Had I been able to, the answer would have been yes. Those that crossed picket lines saved Continental.

It's a lot more honorable than destroying a company from the inside which is what unions in aviation have done for decades.

But what would you know about honor?

 

[dime line]

Had I been able to, the answer would have been yes. Those that crossed picket lines saved Continental.

It's a lot more honorable than destroying a company from the inside which is what unions in aviation have done for decades.

But what would you know about honor?

I might have no honor, you don't know me, buuuutttttt I do know that you had 2 pilots in your DAL meeting tonight. Kinda makes ya go hmmmmmmmm

 

[GerryG]

Let's not let the scab hijack this thread. 2 out of 30 now thats overwhelming solidarity. Rock on Brothers!

 

[jetwash]

I guess MS is feeling the heat, before he just sent the stooges to hold the meetings now he is going.

I smell desperation.

 

[SilverSurfer]

No appetite for BullSh!t

I just don't know what to say to you Silver. It's like you didn't read or comprehend his email at all. If you think that there are "lies, misrepresentaions, and dishonest practices", this is your chance to communicate them to management. If there are none of these items (you haven't listed any here), than don't bother. Before you label me as a FUD, or scab, or troll, or whatever else you guys use, just try to look at it objectively and without all that managment hate that usually accompanies unions. I'm not defending managment or the union, just trying to shed a different light on it. I am not a union fan but I do read and try to understand thier point of view because that's the most important thing in a disagreement, communication. I think you meeting with "M" would be a good thing, maybe something good would come of it. With respect, Thank you.

Skanza,

I did read "M"'s message very carefully. Let me tell you what I read from it.

First and foremost, desperation. After our Union leadership requested that our pilots boycott these management meetings, management is now desperate to show that they have not lost complete control of the pilots. Brining the CEO to DFW to hold this propaganda meeting was a last ditch attempt to be able to prove they still have some level of support from us pilots. Desperation to try and find some way to drive a wedge in to the solidarity of the pilots because he knows that its that solidarity that will ultimately defeat him and his cronies.

As far as looking at his meeting as a opportunity to confront the less then truthful statements of "M" and his management colleagues, we have done that. When they stand in meetings in DFW, CGF, PBI and other venues to tell our pilots that it is the Union that does not want to meet on a more aggressive schedule, its the Union that is getting in the way of negotiations progressing, and we confront these lies, "M"'s bullsh!t commandos just deny thats what was said. When they tell us that NJ, FJ, and CS aren't really growing, they are not really making profits, they are not adding aircraft and pilots, and we call Bullsh!t they shrug their shoulders and just expect you to believe it.

"M" has proven again and again that he has no respect for the pilots of Floptions and does not appreciate what we do for this company. I'll take that one step farther, "M" has demonstrated a open hostility for pilots throughout his carrier. This has been the case from the day he took over as Interim CEO and his actions and the actions of his "management team" are directly responsible for the pilots of Floptions voting for Union representation.

The only thing that I want from "M" is his signature on a contract. Anything else he has to say is meaningless and without value because whatever he says today he can change his mind tomorrow or as has been the case in the past just deny that he ever said it.

No Skanza, with all due respect, "M" and his band of boys have nothing that I care to hear because I intently dislike knowing that someone is intentionally telling me a lie.

Regards:beer:

 

[SilverSurfer]

Please Stop

PLEASE STOP
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OK if yall must debate with this poser POS Bob/B19 please help us all out by not re-quoting his BULLSH!T. For those of us that have blocked his post, you using his quotes defeats the the reason we have blocked him and clutters the threads with his worthless BS.

Your consideration would be appreciated.:beer: ​

 

[FracMonkey]

I agree Silver. This is another beautiful thread shot to he!! because bob showed up. uke:

 

[Freedom]

Hey Bob/B19

How does it feel to be Failing your Job for the 2nd time?

First time was when you failed to stop the Union Vote, failing miserably with a landslide 2 of every 3 Pilots voting for the Union.

And Now, you sold your Boss Sh!tfinger that you could break the Union, and prevent the Pilots from coming together as One.

I'd say only 2 Pilots showing up to your Boss' meeting in Dallas proves that you have failed again.

If Sh!tfinger doesn't go first, you are sure to go soon. Remember the "Peace Man," our former Director of Human Resources who mysteriously left for Personal Reasons one month after the Union was voted in?

Remember Bill Boisture of NetJets going away a month after Contract ratification?

If Sh!tfinger is feeling his job status might be in Jeopardy due to the Union's gains, he is going to try to sacrifice someone to save his own neck. That's what cowards do Bob, but you should know all about that. Wonder how secure Mikey is feeling right about now with 2 suck ups being the only Pilots to show up to his meeting?

Better watch your back Bob. Sh!tfinger has no loyalty to anyone but himself. If he can sell to HIG that the Pilots are forcing a Contract due to your multiple failures and insulate himself in the process, you are gone you Scab.

Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy.

Freedom is Not Free.

 

[nomore]

"M" sleep

Do you think "M" stayed at the Homewood last night? Do you think he sat in the back of an RJ to get there? I don't know but given his history I'm guessing not. That's the TEAM approach at work at options. YOU take one for the TEAM I'm watching out for myself.

 

[1po'dpilot]

Try again SCAB. I will say again go save the 121 carriers in the process of organizing from the union! That is your supposed place of employment (maybe in your wet dreams) I would think you might have a vested interest in seeing that you could prevent a union at a 121 carrier. There is already a union at FLOPS and despite the tactics you try it isn't going anywhere. Scab/Bob/Babbling Bob, whichever you prefer face it youve failed and soon you will be on the street kicked to the curb.

 

[1folinepilot]

I guess MS is feeling the heat, before he just sent the stooges to hold the meetings now he is going.

I smell desperation.

Does anybody think Michael will fly to Dallas again to be snubbed by the next class as well, or will he send one of his stooges instead?

 

[realityman]

FLOPS pilots, you're on the right track!! The best, and most powerful, message you can send to management is your silence. Let your elected leaders speak for you now. That's what you elected them to do.

When negotiations at NJA were getting pretty contentious, our management tried very similar tactics. What they're trying to accomplish with these meetings, is basically to negotiate with all of you individually, rather than as a unified group. If they want to talk seriously, stay away from these meetings and let your elected leaders do the work. As someone else earlier in this thread mentioned, how far did talking directly to management before get you?

Bill Boisture and Richard Santulli would regularly come into company recurrent classes and try to feed us their lines of BS. We all had our union shirts on (1108 had nice polos made up for everyone. EVERY LAST PERSON in the class was wearing it on the days that Boisture and Santulli were coming in) and after they finished their little talk, they'd ask if anyone had any questions. And for class after class, not one single person would ask anything. They were continually met with silence and a sea of 1108 shirts.

The message sent: We're not buying your lies and BS. You wanna talk? Our leaders stand ready to negotiate any time you are.

My hat's off to you folks for taking the first truly difficult steps in what will be a hard battle. NOW YOU'RE STARTING TO ACT LIKE A UNIFIED GROUP!!!

 

[SilverSurfer]

The rest of the story

"M" had his meeting tonight in Dallas. There were 30 pilots and a dozen mechanics in Dallas. 2 pilots went, Jody Leverknight and Tom Parks were in attendance. What a great turnout.

The rest of the story about "M"'s failed propaganda session in DFW last night.

There were 3 not 2 pilots there in attendance, the 2 named above and another with the initials CG. "M" held court with his 3 hungry little birds for nearly 2 hr before emerging into the lobby where approximately 30 Mechanics and pilots were sitting and having the last of the free beer. "M" made the rounds of the room speaking briefly to the MX guys and then the pilots. He asked our pilots in the lobby if they had any questions and did not receive a single response and promptly left with a swish.

Gents I have to tell you that hearing how our pilots had the solidarity to stand together and send "M" and the rest of management this strong message really makes me feel like we will win this war. With this kind of spirit of solidarity we will be successful at negotiating a good first contract that we will all be proud of. Some might ask what message are you talking about? The message is that we will not be fractured, we will not be lied to, that we are determined as a group with one mind and one voice to achieve a contract at Floptions regardless of the actions of management. A message that nothing management has to say short of, show me where to sign, is of any value or interest to us.

All of you that have been involved in this process remember last night it will mark a significant milestone in the spirit and solidarity of the pilots of Flight Options.

Congratulations to all you pilots in DFW that had the stones to stand together and say no to "M".:beer: