Ouch!

[Dep676]

Like I mentioned before, I don't expect you to understand.

I was not referring to your post at all. I see people have problems reading what other people qoute.

Also if you work for Flex that is not 91, maybe 91k. I am talking about a true part 91 operator. You know the big companies that treat their pilots like humans and not slaves. Any of us in the fractional industry are just mere slaves at the beck and call of some 20 year old scheduler that just moved up from the drive thru window at McDonald's.

The fractionals will never compare to a real 91 operator. Not even come close.

 

[Iam3rd]

I was not referring to your post at all. I see people have problems reading what other people qoute.

Also if you work for Flex that is not 91, maybe 91k. I am talking about a true part 91 operator. You know the big companies that treat their pilots like humans and not slaves. Any of us in the fractional industry are just mere slaves at the beck and call of some 20 year old scheduler that just moved up from the drive thru window at McDonald's.

The fractionals will never compare to a real 91 operator. Not even come close.

Actually I don't work for Flex yet. i start 4/26. I work for a 91 right now.

 

[Dep676]

Actually I don't work for Flex yet. i start 4/26. I work for a 91 right now.

Why are you leaving the 91 gig? Think you might regret that choice.

 

[Diesel]

Actually I don't work for Flex yet. i start 4/26. I work for a 91 right now.

Wow the guy has never been in a union but has no problem making coments pretending he knows something about them.

Interesting.

 

[Iam3rd]

Well, I live in Charlotte right now, but we are moving to DFW to be closer to my side of the family. Flex was the job that I came up with. A buddy of mine works there and has been very happy. I went and spent the day with one of the ACP's out there and was extreamly impressed. They seemed to really try and make it a family type atmisphere. At least as much as you can with that many pilots. And my buddy said they really do try and do that. He even gave me some examples of a lot of little things. Things that they would have to stop doing if they were under a union contract. And that the ACP was not just blowing smoke up my rear or putting on a show. I figured it would be different and good experience.

 

[Iam3rd]

Wow the guy has never been in a union but has no problem making coments pretending he knows something about them.

Interesting.

You don't have to be in a union to know about the union. I know enough information from all my flying buddies who are in unions. Trust me, I get an ear full from them.

 

[fischman]

Wow the guy has never been in a union but has no problem making coments pretending he knows something about them.

Interesting.

Relax! He'll be okay. Flex is a GOOD company that CARES about him and his family. :nuts:

 

[FLYLOW22]

You don't have to be in a union to know about the union. I know enough information from all my flying buddies who are in unions. Trust me, I get an ear full from them.

Ok. Let's define the difference here. I've been in "The Union" before at other carriers. This is the first job that I've had where I felt like I was actually an intergral part of The Union.

It's Atmosphere too.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Relax! He'll be okay. Flex is a GOOD company that CARES about him and his family. :nuts:

Oh dagnabit. I fell out of my chair. Diddlydarn you Fisch!!

When I interviewed at FLEX in 2002 with the CP on the Challenger he actually helped me in my decision to come to NJA. BIG TIME.

 

[Iam3rd]

Relax! He'll be okay. Flex is a GOOD company that CARES about him and his family. :nuts:

Just remember that everybody defines QOL differently.

Also know that the things that I discussed above that Flex has (more of a family enviroment, treated like an individual and not being treated like a number) is something that unions can't negotiate into a contract. You will always be treated like a number and everything you get will always have to be negotiated.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Attitudes like that are the reason USair pilots are making $40,000. You've lost your entertainment value for me. Time to watch Lord of the Rings. Good luck. You're going to need it.

And anytime you want to compare W2's to someone who works for a union company just let us know. Then you can tell us how great a non union company is. Baaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa.

I could have sworn USAir was unionized....

 

[Diesel]

Also know that the things that I discussed above that Flex has (more of a family enviroment, treated like an individual and not being treated like a number) is something that unions can't negotiate into a contract. You will always be treated like a number and everything you get will always have to be negotiated.

I wish i had the rose colored glasses outlook that you have. In reality though what you're about to find out that whenever you get to a larger flight department over 100 or 200 people you become a number no matter what. You think the CP has time for you to call up and chat? You think they change the payscale for you directly but not for the other pilots? No it doesn't happen that way. The company can givith and taketh away all at their whim. No matter what you say about it.

Sure right now in your small flight dept you can raise issues and problems to the CP. He'll listen. Heck you guys might actually go out for beers. Judging from your profile though you've never worked in a place with more that 20 pilots. You're in for an interesting experience.

Good luck. Sorry to hear NJ turned you down.

 

[gunfyter]

Just remember that everybody defines QOL differently.

I define QOL as Obeying the FAR 135 crew duty and rest rules.

 

[Iam3rd]

I wish i had the rose colored glasses outlook that you have. In reality though what you're about to find out that whenever you get to a larger flight department over 100 or 200 people you become a number no matter what. You think the CP has time for you to call up and chat? You think they change the payscale for you directly but not for the other pilots? No it doesn't happen that way. The company can givith and taketh away all at their whim. No matter what you say about it.

Sure right now in your small flight dept you can raise issues and problems to the CP. He'll listen. Heck you guys might actually go out for beers. Judging from your profile though you've never worked in a place with more that 20 pilots. You're in for an interesting experience.

Good luck. Sorry to hear NJ turned you down.

This may come as a big shock to you, but there are people out there that have no desire to work at NJ. I never applied there. As I mentioned before, I will not work at a unionized company.

 

[fischman]

This may come as a big shock to you, but there are people out there that have no desire to work at NJ. I never applied there. As I mentioned before, I will not work at a unionized company.

See you in a year at NetJets. After you get pissed enough at flex, you'll understand. (Your union brothers will welcome you, and educate you as to the realities of life (and quality of life) my young padawan).

 

[fischman]

I could have sworn USAir was unionized....

No kidding huh? Flylow might have more experience with USAir. Care to shed some light?

 

[x402]

This may come as a big shock to you, but there are people out there that have no desire to work at NJ. I never applied there. As I mentioned before, I will not work at a unionized company.

That's a fairly narrow career path you've set out for yourself. You may not want to work at NJA but when the majors call you'll just say NO.
Wow, never say never is good advise.

 

[Guitar Guy]

As I mentioned before, I will not work at a unionized company.

So if Flex votes for union representation at some point in the future, will you quit immediately after the vote count is announced?

 

[fischman]

Googester

Go to www.ibt1108.org


scroll down. 3rd hyperlink to the right...

Looks like it says "Flexjets Pilots" to me... That can't be right. The pilots are happy at Flex. It is a good company with good managers that CARE about the pilots. They don't need a union. I wonder why that is there?

I guess you better start working on the app for Citation Shares. Sorry to burst your bubble.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I could have sworn USAir was unionized....

US Airways pilots now fly for Big Mesa. AAA has made their bed by living the ALPA mantra; eat the young and protect the top 10% at any costs. And then the bottom fell out. Mismanagement over the years from Butch Scholfield, Colodny, Wolf "Can't shrink into profitability" followed by furloughs, etc. so on and so forth did not lend itself to helping aleviate the situation over there either. That carrier went from an airline that had no regional jets with some of the best SCOPE language in the biz to, well, Big Mesa led by Daiquiri Doug Parker. The ALPA creedo under the Woerthless era? BOHICA. Bend Over Cause Here It Comes Again. You'd know about bending over Family Guy. In summary. Horrid management for decades coupled with greedy Union leadership led to the current situation for the guys at AAA. Any questions?

Many of is here at NJA now needed to live through examples of how NOT to act like as a Union to really appreciate how TO do it RIGHT as a Union.

When many of us hired on here at NJA, I must say that we were NOT doing it right here either.

I can't say that now.