Others value ALPA more than many of its members

[Bdfg1]

I was a member for a long time. I'm well aware of what they do. That's why I wised up and stopped sending them my money.

Same here...oh wait you mean AOPA...I thought you meant ALPA.

On a serious note PCL...I would like to start a new union..."PFT'ers United". I would like to put your hat into the ring to serve as the first president of the association.

 

[pkober]

I was a member for a long time. I'm well aware of what they do. That's why I wised up and stopped sending them my money.

Maybe if you got involved AOPA would have been a better organization.

AOPA's magazine is way better the ALPA's. Much nicer pictures.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Maybe if you got involved AOPA would have been a better organization.

point taken

AOPA's magazine is way better the ALPA's. Much nicer pictures.

AOPA's rag is like Vogue is for fashion...

Love the ads for the big watches and the pilot puppy farms that will "get you hired" at the regionals...

Every year I read the same article on SE piston planes... but wait.. this one has a moving map!


AOPA is a hobby. For $39 a year all you get to do is nothing... just the way ALPA pilots like it. No wonder ALPA pilots gush and blush at AOPA...

No voting...

No meetings...

No dues...

No career

No profession.

 

[Freight Dog]

Does AOPA negotiate CBA's?

How would you improve ALPA's baragaining abilities?

I'd get rid of ALPA as a bargaining agent and leave it up to individual pilots to negotiate their own worth. You can't tell me that if Delta goes under, your skill goes from being worth 100k a year to being worth 30k just because you had to start at another carrier.

You can thank ALPA for that one.

How did a buddy of mine get to leave a 130k a year job flying a G for one company and get hired by another flying the same type of plane for starting pay of 155k without utilizing ALPA's superior bargaining skills?

 

[Freight Dog]

You mean a manipulative little group of con artists that swindles airline pilots out of their money to benefit the union big shots and airline managements? ALPA is a joke. Nothing but a tool used by senior pilots and union big shots to advance their own agenda.

Exactly! :beer:

 

[DashTrash400]

I'd get rid of ALPA as a bargaining agent and leave it up to individual pilots to negotiate their own worth.

Abso-f'in-lutely. I have a 100% on-time departure and arrival rate, I never carry one pound of fuel more than is required, I tough it out when I'm sick, and I never write up the airplane unless it's in a maintenance base. Airline managers would pay BIG bucks to hire me and upgrade me out of seniority!

</sarcasm>

Moron.

 

[PCL_128]

Abso-f'in-lutely. I have a 100% on-time departure and arrival rate, I never carry one pound of fuel more than is required, I tough it out when I'm sick, and I never write up the airplane unless it's in a maintenance base. Airline managers would pay BIG bucks to hire me and upgrade me out of seniority!

</sarcasm>

Moron.

He's not a moron, he's just blinded by his own anger over the situation he's in because of his carrier going under. If he calmed down and really thought it through he'd realize how ridiculous it is.

 

[PCL_128]

Maybe if you got involved AOPA would have been a better organization.

Maybe so, but advancing general aviation isn't exactly a priority of mine.

 

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[Rez O. Lewshun]

I'd get rid of ALPA as a bargaining agent and leave it up to individual pilots to negotiate their own worth. You can't tell me that if Delta goes under, your skill goes from being worth 100k a year to being worth 30k just because you had to start at another carrier.

You can thank ALPA for that one.

Did you have a problem with the seniority system before? I never heard you complain about your seniority protections?

Its not ALPA. Its gov't and those who control the distribution of power and wealth. And its the RLA.

Smart people place blame where it belongs.

You sound like that guy that has a decent girlfriend... then gets dump and all of a sudden she is a worthless b!tch...

How did a buddy of mine get to leave a 130k a year job flying a G for one company and get hired by another flying the same type of plane for starting pay of 155k without utilizing ALPA's superior bargaining skills?

So.... if you lose your job at Aloha making good enough money.... what is to stop you from getting that 155K G job?


Let me guess...... ALPA.

 

[Freight Dog]

So.... if you lose your job at Aloha making good enough money.... what is to stop you from getting that 155K G job?


Let me guess...... ALPA.

No, but ALPA has precluded me from getting another 100k job flying a B-737 at least in this country... you know... continuing on, not skipping a beat from what I was making before. You know, you can bid ahead of me, you can deal with seniority all you want... but pay me what several thousand hours in 737 are worth... oh, no wait.. SENIORITY, right?

Oh, and DashTrash400? I turned down a street captain job flying a Q400 simply because it wasn't paying enough. So did several of my other DHC-8 typed friends... why? They weren't paying enough.

Moron? Brother... when you figure out that your value as a pilot goes from 100k to 30k the minute your airline goes under, or you decide to change jobs... what does that tell you? Uhhh.... seniority... uhhhh.... yeah!! SENIORITY... that's it.... uhhhh yeah! Or does it tell you there's something wrong with this system?

On the other side, our corporate flying buddies don't have this limitation placed on their careers. Think it benefits them? Or do you think our seniority system benefits us better?

Think about it...

 

[aewanabe]

Maybe so, but advancing general aviation isn't exactly a priority of mine.

And why not? AOPA is VERY imperfect, but there is no other organization working to keep it possible to go fly a Cub or 152 around without European-style regulation and costs.

 

[Freight Dog]

He's not a moron, he's just blinded by his own anger over the situation he's in because of his carrier going under. If he calmed down and really thought it through he'd realize how ridiculous it is.

PCL... thanks for the defense.

You know, it really takes something like this happening to you to stop and think about things.

Thankfully, I'm only in my early 30's. I think about our old guys - in their mid to late 50's.

20000 - 25000 hours total time, 15000-20000 hours of PIC in 737's, and the best they can hope for in this country is 30k as an FO in a 737 if they want to stay in this industry, or 20k if they fly a regional jet. Their only choice that will actually pay them what they are worth is going overseas.

Don't you think it's wrong? If so, how do you correct it while protecting others at the same time?

 

[PHXFLYR]

Does AOPA negotiate CBA's?

How would you improve ALPA's baragaining abilities?

diregard post....thanks


PHXFLYR

 

[AC560]

If so, how do you correct it while protecting others at the same time?

I would work on fixing social security and bringing peace to the Middle East first, much easier tasks.