Open Letter to B19

[ksu_aviator]

I'm glad we have so many professional pilots willing to trash another pilot for his opinions on unions. Have we not advanced beyond elementary school bullying and name calling?

BTW...a lot of the "professional pilots" that have posted on this thread seem to be naive enough to believe that the only concern of a union is to look out for the members. Unions, especially national unions, are increasingly political. They have virtually no power if the members do not have a perceived problem. As such, issues tend to be magnified for the purpose of gaining power.

Don't get me wrong, unions have their place and purpose. Just don't think they are angels sent from heaven to save you from the evil CEO.

Now, who wants to throw the first grade school-esque name calling at me?

 

[SilverSurfer]

Profisional Pilot.....NOT

I'm glad we have so many professional pilots willing to trash another pilot for his opinions on unions. Have we not advanced beyond elementary school bullying and name calling?

BTW...a lot of the "professional pilots" that have posted on this thread seem to be naive enough to believe that the only concern of a union is to look out for the members. Unions, especially national unions, are increasingly political. They have virtually no power if the members do not have a perceived problem. As such, issues tend to be magnified for the purpose of gaining power.

Don't get me wrong, unions have their place and purpose. Just don't think they are angels sent from heaven to save you from the evil CEO.

Now, who wants to throw the first grade school-esque name calling at me?

Dude,

This guy is not a pro pilot, he's a anti union hack posing as a manager/pilot. When the real pilots on the board started calling him on his bullsh!t he clammed up. All of us have opinions and no one gets trashed for their opinion if it appears that they are who they are selling. Bob was holding him self and his current company as all the reasons that a union was bad. The real pilots on here simply asked him to put some fact behind his claims. Like what is this great non union aviation company he works for. Is this so extreme that he can't answer? What he was slammed for was pretending to be something that he wasn't just to advance his anti union views and then admitting that he had other identities on this board to help him further his anti union BS.

Professional Pilot......NOT

 

[TurboHonda]

I'm glad we have so many professional pilots willing to trash another pilot for his opinions on unions.

Bernstein: You can't shoot a cop!
Tony Montana: Whoever said you was one?

 

[dime line]

I'm glad we have so many professional pilots willing to trash another pilot for his opinions on unions. Have we not advanced beyond elementary school bullying and name calling?

BTW...a lot of the "professional pilots" that have posted on this thread seem to be naive enough to believe that the only concern of a union is to look out for the members. Unions, especially national unions, are increasingly political. They have virtually no power if the members do not have a perceived problem. As such, issues tend to be magnified for the purpose of gaining power.

Don't get me wrong, unions have their place and purpose. Just don't think they are angels sent from heaven to save you from the evil CEO.

Now, who wants to throw the first grade school-esque name calling at me?

if this is what you believe, your part of the problem!

 

[fischman]

I'm glad we have so many professional pilots willing to trash another pilot for his opinions on unions. Have we not advanced beyond elementary school bullying and name calling?

BTW...a lot of the "professional pilots" that have posted on this thread seem to be naive enough to believe that the only concern of a union is to look out for the members. Unions, especially national unions, are increasingly political. They have virtually no power if the members do not have a perceived problem. As such, issues tend to be magnified for the purpose of gaining power.

Don't get me wrong, unions have their place and purpose. Just don't think they are angels sent from heaven to save you from the evil CEO.

Now, who wants to throw the first grade school-esque name calling at me?

Purple *************************.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Dude,

This guy is not a pro pilot, he's a anti union hack posing as a manager/pilot. When the real pilots on the board started calling him on his bullsh!t he clammed up. All of us have opinions and no one gets trashed for their opinion if it appears that they are who they are selling. Bob was holding him self and his current company as all the reasons that a union was bad. The real pilots on here simply asked him to put some fact behind his claims. Like what is this great non union aviation company he works for. Is this so extreme that he can't answer? What he was slammed for was pretending to be something that he wasn't just to advance his anti union views and then admitting that he had other identities on this board to help him further his anti union BS.

Professional Pilot......NOT

I “clammed up” as you say because the mob mentality of unions got stupid with the posts. I go to over the pond like I do pretty much every month and don’t post for a week, and everybody is “claiming victory” that they drove me off the board.

There isn’t a single thing that I’ve ever said about my background that is false, and I’ve repeatedly stated that the answers to your questions are within my prior posts. I’ve repeatedly stated that I haven’t flown in years, was a former flight operations manager with a legacy carrier, have been laid off twice by union activity and have seen unions from an angle that very few have on this board. I got tired of repeating myself to those union mongering boneheads that have chosen to believe I lied about my experiences.

I’m not going to summarize over and over because you and the others don’t want to pay attention and choose to gang up on me because I have different experiences than you do. I’m not going to say where I work, because I don’t need the bullsh*t that goes along with it and the sudden thought that the local teamsters will find another location to create a revenue stream.

I don’t have anything to prove, but I think it’s important to state that unions are not the end all to aviation happiness. They have disrupted and ruined just as many careers than have helped them. No union on the property, no disruptions.

To prove my point about mob mentality, this is only my second post since mid-November, yet this thread is still alive like I was posting every day. Stupid, just stupid.

I’m going back into my cocoon now to see whatever it is the union mentality will conjure up this time to attempt to discredit me further. I hope that pilots currently in non-union situations are reading this thread. Look how they have ganged up on me with a mob-mentality because I didn’t agree with them. Look at how they want to pressure all of their fellow pilots that are not in agreement with them so they can get what they think is important, not what you think is important.

In the big scheme of things, my personal layoffs and career redirections because of union activity is meaningless. Most importantly, those folks that want the real information can go to www.unionfacts.com to inform themselves properly.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Dude,

This guy is not a pro pilot, he's a anti union hack posing as a manager/pilot. When the real pilots on the board started calling him on his bullsh!t he clammed up. All of us have opinions and no one gets trashed for their opinion if it appears that they are who they are selling. Bob was holding him self and his current company as all the reasons that a union was bad. The real pilots on here simply asked him to put some fact behind his claims. Like what is this great non union aviation company he works for. Is this so extreme that he can't answer? What he was slammed for was pretending to be something that he wasn't just to advance his anti union views and then admitting that he had other identities on this board to help him further his anti union BS.

Professional Pilot......NOT

So, in your opinion, it is ok to behave badly because you think the other guy is doing it too?

 

[ksu_aviator]

if this is what you believe, your part of the problem!

What problem is that? Are you afraid that rational thinking might overtake raw hatred amoung your fellow union members?

 

[SilverSurfer]

Behaving badly

So, in your opinion, it is ok to behave badly because you think the other guy is doing it too?

Personally my friend I don't think any of us have behaved badly. We simply pressed the questions that would validate the BS that "Bob"/B19 was constantly spewing.

 

[ksu_aviator]

Purple *************************.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[dime line]

No union on the property, no disruptions

Funny, we had no union at FLOPS for about 6 years. Guess there were some "Disruptions". What was your punch line......."The company will get the union it deserves".......


B19 said to read,
http://www.unionfacts.com/

But listen to this as well, and think about what you do for a living and how hard you work for what you do!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOg1nMzy3k

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/05/news/companies/ford_execpay/

 

[FLYLOW22]

B19,

Unions are not for you. I suggest you don't work at a Unionized carrier.

We will be fine here. Thanks for looking out for us.

Have a nice life.

 

[dime line]

B19 said to read,
http://www.unionfacts.com/

But listen/and read these articles as well, and think about what you do for a living and how hard you work for what you do!!!! And remember some of these companys are in Bankrupcy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOg1nMzy3k

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/05/news/companies/ford_execpay/

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070301/AUTO01/703010411/1148

http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2007/6/26/american-airlines-ceo-betrays-workers.html

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-01-12-tilton-incentives_x.htm

So B19 and anyone else can be anti union, that is fine, but if your fine with that, what do you think about these people in these articles? How does an anti-union brain think thisis remotely good?

KSUAviator so what do you think about the "Evil CEO" now?

 

[dime line]

Wow here is another one, great watch
What do you think Bob....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ1WbHpDywE&feature=related

 

[ksu_aviator]

B19 said to read,
http://www.unionfacts.com/

But listen/and read these articles as well, and think about what you do for a living and how hard you work for what you do!!!! And remember some of these companys are in Bankrupcy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuOg1nMzy3k

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/05/news/companies/ford_execpay/

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070301/AUTO01/703010411/1148

http://matewan.squarespace.com/journal/2007/6/26/american-airlines-ceo-betrays-workers.html

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2006-01-12-tilton-incentives_x.htm

So B19 and anyone else can be anti union, that is fine, but if your fine with that, what do you think about these people in these articles? How does an anti-union brain think thisis remotely good?

KSUAviator so what do you think about the "Evil CEO" now?

I don't get it? CEO's are making tons of money so that justifies deamonizing them? You do realize that you are deamonizing people for doing exactly what you want to do....make more money.