Open Letter to B19

[B19 Flyer]

Regarding the website...

I wouldn't call these Union facts at all. More likely it is a website based on a political adgenda from a Ford and Harrison-type operator.

I could go out and find a website to back up a pro-Union stance. Oh, I dunno... how about www.ibt1108.com. Man, that was hard.

Your site makes broad assumtions that ALL Unions are created equally. They are not... that is a fact. Most are pretty satisfied with the level of leadership and representaion that we have here at NJA. NJA Management agrees.

I'm not sure how your website addresses that fact.
As far as pay and working condidtions being changed DURING negotiations... it's illegal. FLOPS management tried it though. Section 6 Negotiations are about the whole enchilada... not addressing pay only. Citation Shares and Flex management have been able to bribe their pilots to varying degrees with that technique each time NJA pilots raised the bar. It will happen again soon.

Regarding "unrealistic demands" by the Union at the table. You CLEARLY do not understand the process of Section 6.

Regarding your feable attempt at giving FLOPS pilots buyers remorse... No Company EVER gets a Unionized work force that doesn't need/deserve it. The "company" had plenty of chances to make right on taking care of it's employees up until the vote to Unionize was initiated. FLOPS is no innocent angel. Yes, they made their choice and yes, it takes time to get results. In the meantime, the "company" is doing absolutely lousy and profits (if any) will reflect that. So how important is "the fight"? Only the company will be able to tell.... usually the BOD determines how much they are willing the fritter away in a labor dispute.

You CLEARLY do not understand the process of Section 6. Section 6 dictates that each side come to the table with equally unrealistic demands in the hoes that they are widdled down to the core issues through "negotiations". I can assure you that the negotiators working on behalf of the FLOPS pilot group are no more off center with their bagaining position than the Company is. Over time, as each side is affected by each others bargaining efforts, an accord is eventually reached. Hopefully, it is an accord that both sides can live with. Maybe not... that's Section 6.

The bargaining unit that I referenced is made up of 3 differnt entities: The Negotiating Committee, the pilot group, and Strike Prep.

All three take turns influencing the company.

The company bargaining unit is made up of: Ford and Harrison (thug legal council), the company Negotiating Committee and Their version of Baghdad Bob (BS Artist with a pager).

The process is painful to both sides. Owners are caught in the middle. Hostages are taken. Time and profits are forever wasted/lost.

It's a choice that both sides have made.

There is another way but it involves a deeply rooted desire to come to an accord without Section 6; IBB.

FLOPS management isn't mature enough for this approach yet (if ever).

Until a deal is reached, the house is on fire. It MAY be saved at this point... sho knows. While both sides are fighting, however, one thing is certain; nobody is putting out the fire.

Here is what I understand. No union, no bullsh*t. Invite the union in, expect the bullsh*t and stop whining about it. You asked for it, you got it. www.unionfacts.com

 

[SilverSurfer]

"Bob"/B19 = POS

I can't believe you guys continue to engage in debate with this POS "Bob"/B19. He has has had more then ample opportunity to validate the absurd baseless assertions he continues to vomit on to this board but choses not to. He is a deceitful self serving lying POS with nothing but a union busting goal of distorting the facts about Unions in general and the union at Flops in specifically.

We do our fight a dis-justice to even acknowledge this mooron. Ignore him and he will go away.

 

[fischman]

And Where did you "hear" this tidbit of info?

I heard it from one of your pilots at PDK. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Is it inaccurate?

 

[dime line]

I heard it from one of your pilots at PDK. He seemed to know what he was talking about. Is it inaccurate?

I don't know if it is really inaccurate. But I find it very suspect that a "pilot" knows the dark secrets of the companys financials. Are we loosing money? I think we are (but I really don't know). Do companys plan for a certain amount of waste, sure do. But really as far as how FLOPS is "really" doing, there are 3 people that really know, HIG, Sheringa, Sanjay. I can't image anybody else that might know that kinda info....

I remember all of our "management" saying "Netjets can't pay those types of salarys and stay in business"

 

[B19 Flyer]

I can't believe you guys continue to engage in debate with this POS "Bob"/B19. He has has had more then ample opportunity to validate the absurd baseless assertions he continues to vomit on to this board but choses not to. He is a deceitful self serving lying POS with nothing but a union busting goal of distorting the facts about Unions in general and the union at Flops in specifically.

We do our fight a dis-justice to even acknowledge this mooron. Ignore him and he will go away.

Even though I've NEVER lied, what validation is required for me to make the statement:

"You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining."

www.unionfacts.com

 

[1po'dpilot]

Bob/B19, or whatever other identity you are assuming today... Youre a worthless turd, the validation people have REPEATEDLY asked for that you refuse to answer is: if life is so great where you claim (I emphasize the claim, since we all know what you really are) to work, What airline do you work for?? The pilots left at Flight Options would love to know where to find the Utopia you speak of...

 

[dime line]

Even though I've NEVER lied, what validation is required for me to make the statement:

"You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining."

[URL="http://www.unionfacts.com"]www.unionfacts.com[/URL]

Your management, heck ya you lie......

 

[FLYLOW22]

Here is what I understand. No union, no bullsh*t. Invite the union in, expect the bullsh*t and stop whining about it. You asked for it, you got it. www.unionfacts.comhttp://www.unionfacts.com

No Union, no bullsh!t?!?!? That's the biggest load of Bullsh!t I've ever read!

Unfair labor practices, summary firings, no recourse if wronged, uneven application of compensation and benefits, brown nosers run amuck? This is non union nonbullsh!t you write of?

But it's your opinion from your experience. I will respect it but you must respect mine too.

Your experience has galvanized your opinion of Unions, so too mine the opposite.

 

[imacdog]

B19 I hope whatever union buster you work for isn't paying you much, because you aren't proving to be worth it.

 

[FLYLOW22]

I remember all of our "management" saying "Netjets can't pay those types of salarys and stay in business"

I remember NJA management saying that 2 years ago. A year later, they came back offereing more.

 

[dime line]

I remember NJA management saying that 2 years ago. A year later, they came back offereing more.

Yea me to, I remember

 

[WabiSabi]

Here is what I understand. No union, no bullsh*t. Invite the union in, expect the bullsh*t and stop whining about it. You asked for it, you got it. www.FORDandHARRISON.com

What's wrong Bob Scabman? Run out of your standard BS ammo. Now you're just spewing pure baseless rhetoric. At least, before, you gave it the old Used Car Sales try!

"You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining."

www.OBFUSCATION.com

Damn right that they got it and the FLOPS pilots are :smash:GLADLY:smash: living with union representation.

If this website is your best propaganda weapon, man! You management thugs are desperate!

 

[G200_PILOT]

Does anybody know who this B19 really is. Anyone know who this tool works for?

 

[fischman]

Does anybody know who this B19 really is. Anyone know who this tool works for?

He works for me. I've got to say, his 6 month eval isn't looking too good...:nuts:

 

[dime line]

He works for me. I've got to say, his 6 month eval isn't looking too good...:nuts:

Well who do you work for?

 

[GerryG]

Even though I've NEVER lied, what validation is required for me to make the statement:

"You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining."

www.unionfacts.com

Now wait a minute, I thought you were going to shut your hole and assume another identity? What gives?

Oh, but I see, "You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining." So your running the buyers remorse gambit and soon you will be offering /selling an alternative, after all, March is right around the corner. Let's see, an in-house union:erm:? Come on man; you can disguise it a little better than that. I mean if your handlers find out about this you’re a going to be in hot water. :laugh:

Look we are pilots, not WalMart greaters, your going to have to try harder. Sell it man, this is too transparent. Did you take a nap that day at the union-busting academy?

I dare you to respond with anything other than hyperbole, adhominum attacks and obfuscation. What I want to know is:

1) What dog do you have in this hunt?
2) Why are you spending so much time on this message board and why so many obviously attributable aliases.
3) What's it like not to have a soul? Just kidding, I'm sure your parents are proud of your chosen profession(Union buster). After all it ranks right up there with rapper, pillager, and public fornicator. Excellent!

 

[FLYLOW22]

Well who do you work for?

He works for me! Hell of a guy!

 

[fischman]

He works for me! Hell of a guy!

That is for only half the week!!!

 

[fischman]

Well who do you work for?

My wife.:bawling:

 

[B19 Flyer]

Now wait a minute, I thought you were going to shut your hole and assume another identity? What gives?

Oh, but I see, "You wanted the union, you got it. Live with the process and stop whining." So your running the buyers remorse gambit and soon you will be offering /selling an alternative, after all, March is right around the corner. Let's see, an in-house union:erm:? Come on man; you can disguise it a little better than that. I mean if your handlers find out about this you’re a going to be in hot water. :laugh:

Look we are pilots, not WalMart greaters, your going to have to try harder. Sell it man, this is too transparent. Did you take a nap that day at the union-busting academy?

I dare you to respond with anything other than hyperbole, adhominum attacks and obfuscation. What I want to know is:

1) What dog do you have in this hunt?
2) Why are you spending so much time on this message board and why so many obviously attributable aliases.
3) What's it like not to have a soul? Just kidding, I'm sure your parents are proud of your chosen profession(Union buster). After all it ranks right up there with rapper, pillager, and public fornicator. Excellent!

I'm not repeating myself anymore because you choose to ignore the truth of my prior posts and do nothing but attempt to create false conspiracies.

But I'm happy to add a new website for you to review:

http://www.lrionline.com/Products/Specialty.html