One List for 9E/XJ/Colgan???

[Mike November]

Colgan pukes to the bottom.

"Foot in mouth and head in a$$hole."

-Tool

 

[PCL_128]

Is DOH a stated factor in ALPA merger policy again? I know it wasn't during the US/AW thing but didn't UA have it put back in there since?

DOH is not in ALPA merger policy, but longevity was added after the AAA/AWA debacle. However, it's only one of several factors to be considered:

- Longevity
- Status and Category
- Career Expectations

However, the policy states that the above list is only some of the things to be considered, and other factors should also be taken into account to arrive at a "fair and equitable" list integration.

 

[recallsomeday]

Not if you use the Delta fair.... guy in the top 1% at Colgan ends up in the top 1% of the merged list !!!!

Just sayin ........

Even with a "fair" list of all 3 company's, the majority of Colgan pilots will still be at the bottom of the list when the integration is complete.

 

[SEVEN]

So you never worked at Pinnacle? Or left Pinnacle to go to a 135 pic job?

Never worked at 9E. Flew 135 for 4 years, applied at one regional (XJ) and got hired. Here I am.

 

[SEVEN]

Not if you use the Delta fair.... guy in the top 1% at Colgan ends up in the top 1% of the merged list !!!!

Just sayin ........

Good point. We'll see when the ##%% hits the fan.

 

[SplitBar]

Not if you use the Delta fair.... guy in the top 1% at Colgan ends up in the top 1% of the merged list !!!!

Just sayin ........

Didn't the Delta "fair" have fences. 1% at Colgan will only be 1% after SLI with fences.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Who says Pinnacle management is going to let us (9E,9L,XJ) merge into one single list? I can see them just keeping Pinnacle separate, while merging Colgan and Mesaba seniority lists. Then, if Mesaba's jets come to the Pinnacle side, the XJ pilots that fly them will too and those pilots will get Pinnacle pay and benefits under our current 1999 contract. This will save the company tons of money because the only pilots getting raises will be the Colgan pilots.

I hope I am wrong, but this is Pinnacle management were talking about. They are going to look at every possible angle to see what the cheapest option is.

 

[Raskal]

Who says Pinnacle management is going to let us (9E,9L,XJ) merge into one single list? I can see them just keeping Pinnacle separate, while merging Colgan and Mesaba seniority lists. Then, if Mesaba's jets come to the Pinnacle side, the XJ pilots that fly them will too and those pilots will get Pinnacle pay and benefits under our current 1999 contract. This will save the company tons of money because the only pilots getting raises will be the Colgan pilots.

I hope I am wrong, but this is Pinnacle management were talking about. They are going to look at every possible angle to see what the cheapest option is.

Wow, I'm just not devious enough for this industry...

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

Colgan to the bottom, especially those wearing cowboy boots.

 

[Regul8r]

Well, as 2 year hires are starting to look at CA at colgan, that sounds about right. Sounds like they'll get the benefit of their quicker growth.

Mesaba and Colgan will merge lists. Upgrades at Colgan (the ONLY selling point to their employment) willcome to a screeching halt. Hope the new hires at colgan are enjoying their sh-t pay and sh-ttier schedules

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

"Foot in mouth and head in a$$hole."

-Tool

"The Pot", I love that song!

 

[kellwolf]

Who says Pinnacle management is going to let us (9E,9L,XJ) merge into one single list?

Seeing as how 9E operates 2/3rds of the same equipments as XJ and Colgan operates the other 1/3rd, I'd say a single carrier petition has a bit of merit. If that's approved, nothing really management can do to stop it, except MAYBE a lawsuit.

 

[flap operator]

So Snap, you've only been a 9E for 3 years? While Seven has certainly approached the facts from a rude, unprofessional, immature and antagonistic point of view, his comments are based in fact. Your company had a rough few years awhile ago and contiuously was rewarded by NWA all the while XJ got screwed. So, from our perspective this was shocking and not something any of us ever dreamed of or certainly wanted.

Now, it is what it is. We move forward as partners and must now realize we all have a common goal. One list, one contract.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

With a merged list that would require a merged contract. Anyone want to give the best highlights of their contract that they would consider a must include in a joint contract? For me I'd insist on keeping the min day pay and the 150% for picking up open flying rules we have. (doubt they are better at Colgan and I know they aren't at Pinnacle)

 

[kellwolf]

With a merged list that would require a merged contract. Anyone want to give the best highlights of their contract that they would consider a must include in a joint contract? For me I'd insist on keeping the min day pay and the 150% for picking up open flying rules we have. (doubt they are better at Colgan and I know they aren't at Pinnacle)

Medical insurance. Yeah, that's about all our current contract brings to the table that's positive....