Once a Air Force Fighter Pilot=Never Cool Again

[furloboy]

This sort of discussion has been going on since the beginning of time. I'm an aviation historian, have been published quite a bit, and have interviewed a lot of aviators with experience pre-dating WW II. They all said/say the same sorts of things, and the same sorts of idiots/tools were flying 70 years ago as are flying now.

WW II likely saw the creation of many more pilot-morons than any other period, simply because the nation had to mass manufacture so many of them in such a short time. And I'm second-to-none in my admiration of what they accomplished.

You're dealing with people. And "people-types" never change.

In twenty years there are going to be threads that talk about how the new guys are idiots compared to those that were flying in 2009. Or that Navy/Air Force/Marine/Coastie guys are uptight compared to the rest of the world.

Regards,
Guinness (who was a much better fighter pilot than the non-hacking girls they're turning out nowadays ;-)

 

[BushwickBill]

Can you give me flaps approach?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc&feature=popt17us01

 

[Rook]

Can you give me flaps approach?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvpnjYEO0gc&feature=popt17us01

(After s*it hot ACM flashback and said very condescendingly...) Yeah! I'm pretty sure I can do that!

:laugh:

 

[semperfido]

My take may be a bit different. I have flown with both civ & mil aviators. All branches represented, educated civilians as well as high school only. I can't really make the same broad generalizations about any one group as I have seen here. In my flying world we tend to get to know people a little better than in the slam, bam, thank you ma'am world of the airline pilot where you may not see the guy again for years. What someone did before getting to our world doesn't seem to matter much and is rarely the topic of conversation. No one would really care what you did in a past incarnation. There is no one trying to teach piloting technique on a trip. Everyone knows there are many ways to skin the same cat. It is a fun job.

 

[Utah]

Scrap- my standard take on the mil/civ debate is that I don't have any problem with your pride- just don't attempt to take away mine. Your post is alright if that's your thing- but it's prejudicial. A Mil resume doesn't entitle you to anything- you know that some serve better than others- some are true selfless patriots - others took a job and are a drain on taxpayer funds and in it for their own gain. And conversely, there are many good and patriotic people who never were in the military. Your words sound narrowminded toward civilians- and that you ought to get some super-citizenship in the US for your service- and special treatment in the airlines. It's two different worlds brother. Let it go. Serving in the military is as relevant to the airlines as my college football days. It helped make us who we are- but time marches on.

I agree with your statement and spent 4 years in the military myself, -just not as a pilot.

 

[2Step]

OK, I'll take a shot - btw, great post Albie. I don't care what kind of airplane you flew or which service you flew it - fighters, heavies, helicopters...Navy, AF, Marine, Army - if you served, we're probably going to have a good trip together. I didn't say always, I said probably. If you're a civilian, you can be a good dude and a good stick as well...and it can also be an enjoyable trip - but it will never be the same as flying with another military guy - and here's why.

Military guys serve in our armed forces because they believe in our country and our ideals. We choose, when we sign the dotted line, to put our lives on the line if so required, i.e. selfless service. There is a common bond - a brotherhood - that lives deep down in us, whether it was as an enlisted guy in the Army or a fighter pilot in the Navy - that we will always share, and that no civilian can ever understand. It's a silent pride thing - I don't think I'm a better pilot or person than any civilian - but I will always have a place in my heart for the love of my country and all that I sacrificed in order to achieve it. Civilians CAN be true patriots as well - but never to the same "aspect" of the military man - especially one that has lost brothers in both training and combat (which I have and many other military folks on this forum have as well).

As far as flying a trip with a military guy - well, I typically enjoy it more simply because we have a common background. There are a bunch of civilian guys I've flown with as well that are a true joy to hang out with and fly a great jet. But for all the civilian guys on here that badmouth military guys because they're "d*cks, dorks, etc"...never forget he served his country honorably and has lost brothers in the line of duty - and that's something you have never experienced.

As a side note, the book "Lone Survivor" does a great job at explaining in detail what I just said.

Hey buddy,

From your post(s) I'd venture to guess that you serve(d) in a single seat cockpit. You should count that as one of you nine lives because had you been apart of any crew based cockpit or foot soldier fighting organization you would have been shot dead by your own troops.

That reminds me, the first 2 minutes and 20 seconds of this video are dedicated to scrapdog. gee can you figure out which one he is?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J6UgV_ZzJQ&feature=related

 

[snow-back]

Fandango is a great movie. Great scene.

 

[fifinella]

"i could of gotten F-15's or F-16's but Buffs were my first choice....."

most of the time i have a hoot flying with ex military - whether its joking about having two sets of hats, if you were really slick, two sets of hats and two sets of keys (I know the CPT is here somewhere, he's gotta be, his hat and keys are here, can i take a message?)

or the usual idiosychrasies of military life (Hey Major, How's the plan for the Squadron Easter Egg hunt going? Why don't you brief me this afternoon, you've got ten minutes of my time, make it good. By the way, I want the slides to just jump right out onto me. In the spirit of synchornized multi echelon synergistic planning, also brief me your current stats for Combined Federal Campaign - we gotta win this thing...."

 

[PsubS]

Originally Posted by Scrapdog
OK, I'll take a shot - btw, great post Albie. I don't care what kind of airplane you flew or which service you flew it - fighters, heavies, helicopters...Navy, AF, Marine, Army - if you served, we're probably going to have a good trip together. I didn't say always, I said probably. If you're a civilian, you can be a good dude and a good stick as well...and it can also be an enjoyable trip - but it will never be the same as flying with another military guy - and here's why.

Military guys serve in our armed forces because they believe in our country and our ideals. We choose, when we sign the dotted line, to put our lives on the line if so required, i.e. selfless service. There is a common bond - a brotherhood - that lives deep down in us, whether it was as an enlisted guy in the Army or a fighter pilot in the Navy - that we will always share, and that no civilian can ever understand. It's a silent pride thing - I don't think I'm a better pilot or person than any civilian - but I will always have a place in my heart for the love of my country and all that I sacrificed in order to achieve it. Civilians CAN be true patriots as well - but never to the same "aspect" of the military man - especially one that has lost brothers in both training and combat (which I have and many other military folks on this forum have as well).

As far as flying a trip with a military guy - well, I typically enjoy it more simply because we have a common background. There are a bunch of civilian guys I've flown with as well that are a true joy to hang out with and fly a great jet. But for all the civilian guys on here that badmouth military guys because they're "d*cks, dorks, etc"...never forget he served his country honorably and has lost brothers in the line of duty - and that's something you have never experienced.

As a side note, the book "Lone Survivor" does a great job at explaining in detail what I just said.
Hey buddy,

From your post(s) I'd venture to guess that you serve(d) in a single seat cockpit. You should count that as one of you nine lives because had you been apart of any crew based cockpit or foot soldier fighting organization you would have been shot dead by your own troops.

You comment, sir, is officially odd. I'd say "idiotic," but I want to give you a chance to defend the whole "you would have been shot dead" comment before passing jugement.

What part of Scrapdog's commentary makes anyone think that he is worthy of fragging...sir?

 

[727C47]

dont feed the troll,he is baiting you.