Old Geezer

[BenderGonzales]

You wore the navy suit and red "power tie" to the interview Learlove. If you were going to be rebellious, why did you not start at the interview? Or did you have the kind of balls that only materialized when you are safely under the protection of the union?

Seriously, everybody knows what the uniform is before you apply. You get all dressed up in your Sunday best for the interview and put on the best show you can for the interview committee... then, once you get online, suddenly you're too good to wear the hat? Come on. That's childish.

No. A tie does not make you any more or less professional. But compliance with the SOP -- even those sections you don't agree with -- does.

 

[fatburger]

LearLove.........as a fellow furloughed U pilot and now a Part 91 pilot for a Fortune 100 company, I can assure you that professional appearance is extremely important. I'm extremely lucky that I landed the cream of the crop job in this profession post 9/11. We still take pride in our appearance because it is expected of us.

By the way, we are hiring for "career positions". Two positions to be exact due to new airplane deliveries. If you were interested and applied and got an interview, would you wear a tie to the interview? I already know the answer to that one.

Wearing a tie or not doesn't make a person any less professional. But I'll give you this, your appearance is a reflection of yourself. The people who take pride in their appearance are the people who take pride in their work. They are the people who are going to be flying at our company.

Fatburger
36 years old.

 

[Quimby]

well said

 

[Huggyu2]

Deleted... this post is going nowhere.

 

[BenderGonzales]

It's not going "no-where". It displays a dramatic cultural divide between airline pilots even just a decade ago, and those today.

In an era where unity has fallen by the wayside it is important to recognize your differences.

 

[brainhurts]

And not only that, but the anus IS an exit, NOT an entrance!

 

[matchthehatch]

It's about public perception

How many newspaper letters to the editor do you read that are written by the ill-informed public, blaming pilots and unions for the bankruptcies of airlines. You know the letters, the ones that hold absolutely no truth and make your blood boil. We, as airline pilots, and our unions have done a horrible job of educating the public as to the true life of a pilot. Taking out a full page ad during a well-publicized and contentious contract negotiation (Comair), does not go far enough. ALPA is only acting defensively. Unions and pilots need to be proactively educating the traveling public. People need to know that we are NOT glorified bus drivers, and if that means taking some pride in the way you dress and carry yourself while in uniform, then it is a small price to pay. When the public sees the kid with the uniform on, listening to his iPod, wearing a backpack, "professional" is probably not what immediately comes to mind.

LearLove - I've gotta disagree with you. I have no doubt that you are every bit as professional without a tie as you are with, but John Public may not see it that way. We've got to help ourselves if we ever expect the public to help us.

 

[kwick]

We need to increase the retirement age to age sixty-five, if for no other reason than, to protect the American public from some of these idiots on the board that may at some point have the seniority to upgrade but not the common sense or the judgement. Fire away.

 

[Falconjet]

We need to increase the retirement age to age to age sixty-five, if for no other reason than, to protect the American public from some of these idiots on the board that may, at some point have the seniority to upgrade, but not the common sense or the judgement. Fire away.

You mean, like yourself?

I wouldn't throw darts like that if I couldn't even type a sentence correctly, even after editing. You might also want to brush up on the use of commas and other punctuation nuances.

Clear.

FJ

 

[kwick]

Whaaaaaa! FY

 

[Falconjet]

Whaaaaaa! FY

Wow: nice comeback. That is all you can come up with?

Have a good day kwick.

FJ

 

[kwick]

Think long term, Grasshopper.

 

[27 driver]

And not only that, but the anus IS an exit, NOT an entrance!

Thats funny

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Money for nothin and the chicks for free!

Fly Cargo.....fly fast.

 

[Bjammin]

I'll just thow in my .02.

We all see our service members in the terminals. I have yet to see one that looks beat, overworked, underpaid, or un-professional and I would say these guys have reason to bitch above ALL others.

They are definately overworked, underpaid, and bet they have done alot worse things then fly around America on a flightdeck, yet they all have there sleeves rolled up perfectly, have they shoes shined, hats on if required, and look like a million bucks whether coming or going to war. You can see pride in their faces even though they may have been cleaning toilets in a tent 2 days ago in a desert for $1100 a month.

They have pride in representing our country and in their jobs, no matter what they think of their leaders or how sh!!ty the job is.

When you walk down the terminal and see a Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine coming back from over there, I hope you take notice of their professionalism and maybe think about taking a little more pride in yourself and your uniform.

We all represent the airline pilot profession. Our company emblem is secondary if noticed at all so lets take pride in who we are. The customers trust us with everything they have, the least we can do is look like we care about ourselves, let alone them.

 

[SoCentralRain]

I'll just thow in my .02.

We all see our service members in the terminals. I have yet to see one that looks beat, overworked, underpaid, or un-professional and I would say these guys have reason to bitch above ALL others.

They are definately overworked, underpaid, and bet they have done alot worse things then fly around America on a flightdeck, yet they all have there sleeves rolled up perfectly, have they shoes shined, hats on if required, and look like a million bucks whether coming or going to war. You can see pride in their faces even though they may have been cleaning toilets in a tent 2 days ago in a desert for $1100 a month.

They have pride in representing our country and in their jobs, no matter what they think of their leaders or how sh!!ty the job is.

When you walk down the terminal and see a Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine coming back from over there, I hope you take notice of their professionalism and maybe think about taking a little more pride in yourself and your uniform.

We all represent the airline pilot profession. Our company emblem is secondary if noticed at all so lets take pride in who we are. The customers trust us with everything they have, the least we can do is look like we care about ourselves, let alone them.

Well stated. And while we're at it, how about actually saying "thanks" to our service men and women in uniform? It only takes a second.

SCR

 

[westward]

Works both ways.

So I guess the NWA/Las Vegas incident didn't help our cause?

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Gramps, you guys set this industry up for failure, you reap what you sow, thanks for getting yours and leaving us your mess to clean up. Enjoy your lifestyle, all who followed are making a living at a job, not a profession.

The only people that set this industry up for failure are the airline management people like Carl Ichan and Frank Lorenzo.

We are long-term players in the industry. We're not just crazy and emotional. We try to be logical business managers.​

— Frank Lorenzo
​

I can't imagine a set of circumstances that would produce Chapter 11 for Eastern.​

— Frank Lorenzo​

United has little to fear from numerous small competitors. We should be able to compete effectively by advertising our size, dependability, and experience, and by matching or beating their promotional tactics. . . . In a free environment, we would be able to flex our marketing muscles a bit and should not fear the treat of being nibbled to death by little operators.​

— Richard Ferris, CEO United Airlines, 1976.
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I really don't know one plane from the other. To me they are just marginal costs with wings.​

— Alfred Kahn, 1977.​

 

[PHXFLYR]

Sorry guys, but you should show this gentleman some respect. It's not his fault this industry is AFU. I happen to agree with him.

Same here....rather than dragging the guy thru the mud,why not figure out a way to start recapturing all that was lost? Some of the responses to Capt Bud's post show what's wrong with the industry today. Rather than band together and bring the fight to management to recapture what's been lost we all to sit around and point fingers(middle and otherwise ) at each other. Management must be laughing their collective a$$es off. I know I would if I were them.


10 years left...and counting!!

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

BG,


The problem with Bud's argument is that he addressed it as problem in aviation. I disagree and say that its reflection of the society we live in. You tell anyone who disagrees to be ashamed. Thanks for your input.

So ,you're saying it's OK for us to lower the bar to reflect the "new normal" that has been set by society? I dunno.......

PHXFLYR