OJAP- Organization of Jewish Airline Pilots

[chperplt]

It was the Romans who had JC crucified. He was nailed to a cross. If the Jews would have had him executed, it would have been by stoning. So, instead of a crucifix, the goys would be wearing a stone.

Thank you very much!

Blame the Jews for everything.... geez.

 

[Gofish]

Forgive my ignorance but, what is a goy?

 

[CA1900]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goy

 

[atafan]

Blame the Jews for everything.... geez.

What many Jewish people and many who call themselves Christians don't understand is a true Christian, a follower of Christ, doesn't blame anyone for the death of Christ. We believe Christ's purpose was to come to earth and die for all of us. It is unimportant to me who ordered the crucification, we are all equal in blame.

Christian and Jews are bonded together by our faith and we have much more in common than we differ.

To try to get back to the original thread, I as a Christian, support your OJAP effort and wish you well.

 

[beytzim]

If I was to sell a religion would I try to sell one that:

1. Excludes practically everyone that wasn't born Jewish (unless you go through a year long pain-in-the-arse schooling), has literally thousands of laws that are completely illogical, has a G-d that can neither be named, idolized, or compared to anything tangible or recognizable, judges people by their actions not their faiths, and finally does not guarantee forgiveness for past sins no matter how well you repent. Not to mention guarantees a happy ending to everyone not Jewish, as long as you follow seven easy rules.

or

2. Can include every one on this planet with ease, has a handful of laws - easily followed, has a G-d that is named, identified, and easily recognized around the world, and judges by what you believe rather than how you actually treat your fellow man, and finally will forgive all your past sins including rape, murder, child molestations as long as you recognize JC as your savior. Not to mention a guaranteed happy ending, unless you're not a believer of JC, in which a you die a miserable death (Revelations).

If I was a salesmen, which religion would be easier to sell? hmm...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying which religion is better. I just recognize the reason why Christianity has flourished over the past two millenia while Judiasm has languished at a constant 6-15 million. Not too mention the Crusades, the Papal States, and an enormous prosthelityzing movement in Christianity all but abscent in Judaism.

Am Israel Chai!!

 

[414Flyer]

It was the Romans who had JC crucified. He was nailed to a cross. If the Jews would have had him executed, it would have been by stoning. So, instead of a crucifix, the goys would be wearing a stone.

Naw, he would have been nickel and dimed to death!

 

[joevollers]

Now dont anyone get mad or try to read anything into this....its just a question; Doesn't being Jewish mean that you are not permitted to work on saturdays? is that everyone from the Jewish faith, or does that only apply to the Orthodox sect or whatever it is.

I never thought about a Jewish person as an airline pilot and the whole saturday thing came to mind, so im just curious.....and im saying so because of the tendancy for this board to get "colorful"....

thanks

Actually, Christians should too... There is quite clear guidance from Paul to do so.....Oh, and also that commandment!

 

[CA1900]

Speaking of the Fifte-- er, Ten Commandments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hUrWJacE_Q

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

I can't understand we all beleive in one G-d, why do the different denominations need to fight over what is the right way? I always respect others beleifs until they try to shove them on me and tell me mine are wrong. Then I would have a problem with that. If one respects my beielfs, I will be more than happy to respect theirs.

 

[CA1900]

I can't understand we all beleive in one G-d...

Well, that's an incorrect presumption. We don't all believe that.

I always respect others beleifs until they try to shove them on me and tell me mine are wrong. Then I would have a problem with that. If one respects my beielfs, I will be more than happy to respect theirs.

Exactly. I've been called all sorts of things simply because I'm not a believer in any sort of religion or deity. I'm not militant about it, and I don't denigrate others for their belief. Nonetheless I'm the subject of scorn and abuse because of it.

I've been told I can't possibly be a moral person, and that I'm going to burn in hell because I don't subscribe to the someone else's beliefs. I find it highly insulting that I'm presumed less of a person because of it.

I don't get it. But I guess that's because I "don't get it." I'm fine with that, if they'll quit harassing me and trying to convert me to their brand of religion. The guys in shirts and ties knocking on my door really annoy me; I'm not a big fan of door-to-door sales of any kind. I'm always polite, but firm that I'm not interested.

 

[capt. megadeth]

I can't understand we all beleive in one G-d, why do the different denominations need to fight over what is the right way? .

Cuz people obviously have too much time on their hands that they have to get up in everyone else's business. I don't get it either. Who cares who someone believes in?

 

[Drill Sgt. Dad]

Exactly. I've been called all sorts of things simply because I'm not a believer in any sort of religion or deity. I'm not militant about it, and I don't denigrate others for their belief. Nonetheless I'm the subject of scorn and abuse because of it.

I've been told I can't possibly be a moral person, and that I'm going to burn in hell because I don't subscribe to the someone else's beliefs. I find it highly insulting that I'm presumed less of a person because of it.

So, you're an athiest? Fine, as long as you don't tell me you're right for what you beleive in and I'm wrong, then I see no problem. You're not less of a person. And those who condemn you are showing their true colors of hipocracy. Trust me, being Jewish and growing up in the South I have been asked where are my horns (devil) I've been called Satan, himself or a messenger of the devil. I've been told G-d doesn't hear prayers from Jews and also told I will rot in hell after I depart from this earth. So, I can sympathise with being condemned for what you beleive in. I always remind them of one of the 10 commandments, love thy neighbor.

 

[Crossky]

It was the Romans who had JC crucified. He was nailed to a cross. If the Jews would have had him executed, it would have been by stoning. So, instead of a crucifix, the goys would be wearing a stone.

True, but there's a catch. According to all four Gospels of the Christian Bible, the Romans crucified Jesus Christ of Nazareth on behalf of an angry Jewish mob which was demanding that it be done as an execution for him 'blaspheming God and acknowledging that he was the prophesied Messiah'.

The Romans carried it out at the Jews request basically, but all of mankind's sin, both Jew and Gentile, put Jesus on the cross symbolically, figuratively, and literally.

 

[CA1900]

So, you're an athiest? Fine, as long as you don't tell me you're right for what you beleive in and I'm wrong, then I see no problem. You're not less of a person.

Yep, I am, and it sounds like we'd get along just fine. I wouldn't say you're wrong because I don't believe that -- it just doesn't affect me either way because I'm not a part of it at all. It's like when people ask me who I like in football. Well, I don't follow football at all, thus I don't care either way which team you like. I wouldn't think differently of a person because of his religion in very much the same way.

Trust me, being Jewish and growing up in the South I have been asked where are my horns (devil) I've been called Satan, himself or a messenger of the devil...

That's just inexcusable... It's such a stupid comment it'd leave me at a loss for words, and usually does.

My wife is somewhat religious, and has been expressing interest in converting to Judaism. (She has a distant ancestor who was Jewish, and wants to explore that side of her.) I support her totally in that, because I believe it's a personal choice for everyone. Knowing full well my lack of interest in organized religion, she asked me to go with her once to meet her new friends. I was apprehensive, but did it to make her a little more comfortable, with the understanding beforehand that it probably wouldn't be a regular thing for me. Still, the whole group was very, very welcoming to both of us, even though I'm sure they knew I was out of my element. But man, they sure didn't make me feel that way. It was nice, even if I was a little lost. :0

I always remind them of one of the 10 commandments, love thy neighbor.

:beer: Exactly.

 

[capt. megadeth]

And those who condemn you are showing their true colors of hipocracy.

Amen to that! That's one of the reasons I not to practice any religion except my own (ie. I have my own beliefs and I don't go to church).

 

[chperplt]

What many Jewish people and many who call themselves Christians don't understand is a true Christian, a follower of Christ, doesn't blame anyone for the death of Christ. We believe Christ's purpose was to come to earth and die for all of us. It is unimportant to me who ordered the crucification, we are all equal in blame.

Christian and Jews are bonded together by our faith and we have much more in common than we differ.

To try to get back to the original thread, I as a Christian, support your OJAP effort and wish you well.

Atafan,

I was just joking....

 

[FlyingSkirt]

Count me in too!!!!

Being Jewish AND Female.... you know i'm not cooking anything for the party. But obviously I'd be great at ordering the refreshments.

Did I mention my cousin owns a deli?

 

[temcgrew]

Glad to see this has gotten back to a little Irreverence. Pilots usually take a serious conversation and turn it into something immature and fun. This started fun, but somehow went totally wrong and got serious.

Weird

How about a united group, building off someone elses post:

Org of Liberal Democrats & Christian Republican Airline Pilots

OLDCRAP

I can't figure out how to include any other groups, but if anyone else can help me out.....

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

OCLAP-Organization of Cooter-Loving Airline Pilots

Any takers?

 

[BenderGonzales]

I can attest that being Jewish in a predominantly Southern Baptist town is challenging at best... downright uncomfortable at worst.

Interestingly, i'm not particularly religious. I haven't been to synagogue since my Bar Mitzvah. But now that I have a son I want him to have the opportunity to learn his heritage and benefit from the moral lessons that religion teaches. (although I acknowledge that morals could be taught at home with or without religion).

In this town it would not be unlikely for a child to come home from preschool with a coloring-book page of Jesus. There is a church with not one, but three 50 foot-tall crosses. It is not uncommon to see folks praying before they eat at restaurants.

I realize the challenges of raising a Jewish child in this environment and, despite the lack of religion in my own life, I feel he will feel less exclusion if it is in his.