NWA wants DOH

[Superpilot92]

Well, where are all the DC9 FOs? Your computer model for the SLI had a Jan 1, 2008 fleet snapshot, and it said you had 94 DC9s. How many FOs can fly 94 DC9s? Where could they be? Will some of them fill the 316 787 FO slots your computer model also showed in the fleet snapshot, last January?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Since we started hiring we have had alot more pilots retire than we hired. We have shrunk in size ever since we started reducing those aircraft. NWA was understaffed last summer hence the summer meltdown. The reduction in aircraft only helped them actually staff the airline for once.

 

[General Lee]

Since we started hiring we have had alot more pilots retire than we hired. We have shrunk in size ever since we started reducing those aircraft. NWA was understaffed last summer hence the summer meltdown. The reduction in aircraft only helped them actually staff the airline for once.

I understand you, but I was being sarcastic. I read the transcripts from 10-24 and your SLI computer model pilot guy stated that the actual model had figured in 94 DC9s. We all know that is too many. It also figured in 631 787 slots, for a plane that has never flown. Can you see how I can get sarcastic here?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SWA/FO]

Bump.....a walk down memory lane, Notice all the Southwest guys chiming in on the NWA/DAL SLI topic? Looks like NONE.

 

[tankerhead]

Bump +1 for some good stuff. OYS/GL can bump it next.

 

[On Your Six]

I wasn't here during that period, but as others have stated, the SLI process isn't fun. But, can it be orderly afterwards? Some airlines haven't had luck with that, and hard feelings persist. (USAir) But that hasn't been the case at Delta, at least what I have seen. Will it be that way at Southwest? Hopefully it will be civil, but you can't continue to say the AT guys deserve a staple job. I didn't read any of that from this Delta/NW thread. That is the difference.


OYS

 

[RJ Bum]

I got an idea, let's bump every single thread ever on FI and turn it into a SWA/AT thread....

 

[SWA/FO]

but you can't continue to say the AT guys deserve a staple job

We can say what ever we want. :beer:

 

[ultrarunner]

I think an important fact to note is that SWAPA's sole purpose in life is to act in the best interest of a SWAPA member. You don't really have that in ALPA, since, for example, ALPA is representing a "mainline" pilot group at the same time it's representing "regional" pilot groups. In the latter, you have an airline who's sole purpose is to be the lowest bidder in an effort to take flying away from the mainline group. And all represented by the same union. It's a massive conflict-of-interest, IMHO. And that is why pilot unions like SWAPA are the way to go. Pilot union's that feed on both ends will always be at conflict with their members.

SWAPA does what it's members tell it to do. Period, end of story. And that's how it should be.

 

[On Your Six]

We can say what ever we want. :beer:

I hope your lawyers say that to the arbitrators. It will result in something awesome for you. You should attend the hearings yourself and stand up and yell it at them too. Someone bring a camera.


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

I think an important fact to note is that SWAPA's sole purpose in life is to act in the best interest of a SWAPA member. You don't really have that in ALPA, since, for example, ALPA is representing a "mainline" pilot group at the same time it's representing "regional" pilot groups. In the latter, you have an airline who's sole purpose is to be the lowest bidder in an effort to take flying away from the mainline group. And all represented by the same union. It's a massive conflict-of-interest, IMHO. And that is why pilot unions like SWAPA are the way to go. Pilot union's that feed on both ends will always be at conflict with their members.

SWAPA does what it's members tell it to do. Period, end of story. And that's how it should be.

Anyone can expect their own union to fight for them. ALPA will fight for the Airtran pilots too. But, the arbitrators are smart enough to understand what is going on, and this isn't new for them either.


OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

I hope your lawyers say that to the arbitrators. It will result in something awesome for you. You should attend the hearings yourself and stand up and yell it at them too. Someone bring a camera.

Why don't you show up and help our process thru? My guess, is a ONE LUV style beatdown. (meaning The Trannys/Southwest guys would tag team with a SDF style beatdown on your mellon) We don't need your help OY6.

 

[rigger]

Heck i think the best best model ever used was the American Twa model ALPA worked real hard on that and Everyone (at one airline) was very happy....it worked so well before, and has a proven track record.....it could work for SW and Airtran as well as Delta And NW.....problem solved for everyone!!!

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Can we all agree that pilots are pilots. Greedy bastards that only think fair is what benefits them the most. We (NWA) thought doh was the way to go with delter. With usair, we would have been preaching relative seniority. In most cases, unless one side caves or both move to a middle ground (highly unlikely, see greedy bastard above) a neutral arbitraitor will be needed.

 

[JohnQ]

Can we all agree that pilots are pilots. Greedy bastards that only think fair is what benefits them the most. We (NWA) thought doh was the way to go with delter. With usair, we would have been preaching relative seniority. In most cases, unless one side caves or both move to a middle ground (highly unlikely, see greedy bastard above) a neutral arbitraitor will be needed.

Correcto. The DAL/NWA method is, as far as I'm concerned, the only way any seniority list should ever be integrated: a 3-person panel, both sides present their cases, and the panel makes its binding decision. I don't even know why ALPA has merger committee negotiations as part of the process. We all know that given the nature of pilots, that two sides could never come up with an agreement on their own. We might as well streamline the entire merger process and cut to the chase with arbitration, at least regarding SLI integration.

 

[ultrarunner]

... We might as well streamline the entire merger process and cut to the chase with arbitration, at least regarding SLI integration.

And what's that gonna get you? How many years are we since the AWA/USAir Nic award?

That abortion set the precedence that binding is not "really" binding, right?