NWA Suspends Hiring?

[The General]

I am positive there were interviews last week, and pretty sure there was another round this week. how worried should one be about a may/june classdate regarding furloughs?

 

[Tanker Clown]

I am positive there were interviews last week, and pretty sure there was another round this week. how worried should one be about a may/june classdate regarding furloughs?[/quote]

I wouldn't quit your current job or burn bridges. You'll be the first to go when the furlough start...if they don't start before you even get there.

 

[123]

Since it is my understanding that they are currently filling classes into June. It would sound like a good business plan to stop interviewing for a while, drain the pool down, allow for updated apps, and start interviewing again later in the spring. Why waste capital on interviewing now, giving someone a class date in June or July only to find out that they have left between now and then for another carrier.

 

[michael707767]

Since when has forward thinking and logic been part of these companies plans? Hire till you furlough.....

Sounds like the Air Force.....recruit, recruit, recruit, oops, RIF, RIF, RIF.

 

[michael707767]

I wouldn't quit your current job or burn bridges. You'll be the first to go when the furlough start...if they don't start before you even get there.

Yeah, listen to Tanker Clown. With his vast amount of experience in the airlines, he knows what he is talking about.

Doesn't the Colonel need coffee?

 

[Tanker Clown]

Yeah, listen to Tanker Clown. With his vast amount of experience in the airlines, he knows what he is talking about.

Doesn't the Colonel need coffee?

Wow, if common sense was common then everyone would have it. The whole idea of a merger is to comgine synergies and cut overlap with the overall goal to raise ticket prices due to a reduction in demand. Therefore, if you are going to cut capacity, then you don't need pilots. While Delta isn't well known for making great decisions, I'm pretty sure they aren't going to pay a newhire to not fly a route that has been cut or not fly a parked jet.

The Air Force, on the other hand, would pay to not fly the pilot...but they aren't in the profit making game. In that respect, they are like Delta.

 

[JohnDoe]

Something else to give you the warm and fuzzies:

Our mec (mainline NW) just sent out an email stating that Compass is opening two new crew bases in April..DTW and MEM. Mainline mec sending that to mainline pilots.....And we care.....why???

By the way, if you didn't know, the compass pilots are represented by the mainline council 1 for those of them based in MSP. Interesting arrangement. Compass flying is replacing mainline flying, and we are representing them......

 

[viper548]

Classes are being filled 3+ months out. It makes sense to stop interviewing until the available classes are closer.

 

[michael707767]

Wow, if common sense was common then everyone would have it. The whole idea of a merger is to comgine synergies and cut overlap with the overall goal to raise ticket prices due to a reduction in demand. .

yeah, there will be some synergies. There will also be routes that as seperate companies only support an RJ, while at the combined company they will support a mainline airplane. Further, Glen Haunstein is licking his chops at the prospects of new international routes that the combined company can support. I predict hiring will slow down but will not stop in the short term. Long term, we may both have more opportunities than we would have at stand alone companies.

 

[Tanker Clown]

yeah, there will be some synergies. There will also be routes that as seperate companies only support an RJ, while at the combined company they will support a mainline airplane. Further, Glen Haunstein is licking his chops at the prospects of new international routes that the combined company can support. I predict hiring will slow down but will not stop in the short term. Long term, we may both have more opportunities than we would have at stand alone companies.

Maybe, but if Asia or Europe have a recession....or the dollar gets strong again, then there is going to be trouble with all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Smarta$$]

Something else to give you the warm and fuzzies:

Our mec (mainline NW) just sent out an email stating that Compass is opening two new crew bases in April..DTW and MEM. Mainline mec sending that to mainline pilots.....And we care.....why???

By the way, if you didn't know, the compass pilots are represented by the mainline council 1 for those of them based in MSP. Interesting arrangement. Compass flying is replacing mainline flying, and we are representing them......

You guys voted for it.

 

[Ridgeback]

Do you really think they will just PARK all of the 68 larger DC9s without replacing them? Really?

Yes, that's the point of a merger, decrease overlap

Give up market share and just replace them (even though they have more seats than the DC9-30s and all of those wonderful CR9s or E175s)? Really?

Yes, Both airlines have said there is too much capacity in the market


NWA said their current hiring takes into account the parking of about 30 DC9-30s this year, and they are still hiring. (or willing to drain their pool).

NWA made that statement Pre- merger

Those larger DC9s will be replaced eventually (maybe MD90s or new 737NGs), but not overnight. And, any agreements in writing will be enforced, unless there is a BK and a judge is watching. Do you think that will happen immediately too? Do you?

Delta will inherit the 76 NEW Large rj's, those are the DC9 replacements.

Yes, our no-furlough clause had a Force Mejeur clause, and it was used after 9-11. In fact, they furloughed a bit too many, and after a grievance many were brought back by an arbitrator. It can be enforced and was challenged and our guys won via an arbitrator, with pay.

SWEET!

Bye Bye--General Lee

People keep forgetting the reason for the merger?

 

[Superpilot92]

I agree with the General (this time that is) The combined carrier will most likely slow down hiring for a while until the plans for consolidation are ironed out and even after they have a defined plan of action, it will take some time to implement (years) The DC-9's will eventually be replaced, not just parked. What will be really interesting to watch will be the dynamics of integration of the two pilot groups, they have the advantage that being both legacy carriers their pilot groups don't have the seniority based problems that the USAirways debacle had. Seniority based (DOH) integration is a possible solution if "pride" doesn't get in the way.
Maybe I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy, but I believe that a great airline could emerge from all of this

Agreed!!

 

[123]

Maybe, but if Asia or Europe have a recession....or the dollar gets strong again, then there is going to be trouble with all your eggs in one basket.

This is such an idiotic post, I am at a loss for words....

 

[General Lee]

People keep forgetting the reason for the merger?

And you are forgetting that there are local politicians out there that will squash a deal if they even attempt to close a base in their local area. That is why Anderson had to assure Ohio Senators and Congressmen that he would NOT close the base. Had he not, they would have raised heck. The key to this merger is that most of NWA's route structure fits in with ours. The sum of the pieces is better than the original. We can attract more corporate customers with the whole world covered than slowly doing it ourselves. And, leaving hubs or abandoning them opens up opportunities for LCCs, which is something we would have done in the past and we can't afford to do now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[puddlejumper101]

the question is not if...it's how much consolidation will take place. Doesn't anyone see these airlines are merging due to ECONOMIC pressures?? (oil, recession, etc...) it is something they have wanted to do and found the perfect excuse and time. The top execs will be swimming in $$$ for saving the company and then the slash and burn begins. CEOs are like politicians...of course they have to tell CVG and MEM politicians that they won't close the base...yet. if they really told them the truth this deal will never happen. IF the economy was ok I might buy that they are going to stay the same size and not give up market share...but that is not the case and anyone thinking otherwise is totally kidding themselves. USAir and America West did end up consolidating...they are not the same size they were individually. What helped was the economy was not royaly tanking when they did their merger.

 

[DashTrash400]

Compass flying is replacing mainline flying, and we are representing them......

Eh, kinda. When you look at the routes we're getting, some are downsized mainline routes but a lot are upsized Pinnacle routes or new service. Our eventual 36 airplanes have the lift of about 20 DC-9-50s. Not quite the full-scale replacement of the 100-120 seat fleet that some imagine.

 

[737 Pylt]

This is such an idiotic post, I am at a loss for words....

When you consider the idiot that posted it, it shouldn't be a surprise! Just look at his vast exprrience. 2000 hours over a 20 year career. WOW impressive!
He's a coffee getting pencil pushing biatch!:laugh:

737

 

[scarlet]

General Lee say Delta is buying NW >>????

I thought it was a merger and not a buyout??

But if it is a buy out, how in the world are you in BK and then next year you are buying a multi billion dollar business, after screwing all your employees?? WOW

And not everyone wants to work for DL,NW,AA,CAL,UAL
15-20 year F.O.--NO thank you !!

Friend was all excited flying the 767 out of JFK,,guess what he ended up doing ..3-4 legs up and down eastcoast...grass is greener ?

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Friend was all excited flying the 767 out of JFK,,guess what he ended up doing ..3-4 legs up and down eastcoast...grass is greener ?

Don't know who your friend is but, there is NO domestic flying on the 767 in JFK. Not in the bid pack and not in open time. Just for variety I wish there was some though.

 

[filejw]

Reference merger or buyout. This will be a stock swap with no premium, I think you will find that is a merger.

 

[Occam's Razor]

I find it interesting that occam's razor (who does interviews) was on the forum not long ago today and responded to two other threads regarding NW but not this one.......

That's not "interesting". "Interesting" is trying to pass gas while you've got the runs.

THIS is intellectual economy.

 

[regionalcap]

General Lee say Delta is buying NW >>????

I thought it was a merger and not a buyout??

But if it is a buy out, how in the world are you in BK and then next year you are buying a multi billion dollar business, after screwing all your employees?? WOW

And not everyone wants to work for DL,NW,AA,CAL,UAL
15-20 year F.O.--NO thank you !!

Friend was all excited flying the 767 out of JFK,,guess what he ended up doing ..3-4 legs up and down eastcoast...grass is greener ?

I guess it is all perspective. I would rather be a 15 year F.O. flying a 767-400 to Hawaii than a 15 year Captain on the RJ. Each is own I guess.

 

[NuGuy]

That's not "interesting". "Interesting" is trying to pass gas while you've got the runs.

THIS is intellectual economy.

LOL, I always thought the postings here were the intellectual equivalent of the runs.

Nu

 

[ExAF]

More than 10%

Furloughs are a way of life in this business. Anyone who is on the bottom of any seniority list should have furlough plans; if you don't, you're in for quite a shock if it happens.
I'll keep my furlough plans in place until I've got 10% below me. And the post-911 downturn proved that you're still not safe with 10% below you.

I wouldn't decline a job due to worry about being furloughed, but I'd sure have an alternate plan. One where I put nonflying skills to use.

I would say you better have a plan even after you have 10% below you. I've had well over 10% below me at NWA twice and still got furloughed twice. ALWAYS have a backup plan.

 

[TNPILOT]

I guess it is all perspective. I would rather be a 15 year F.O. flying a 767-400 to Hawaii than a 15 year Captain on the RJ. Each is own I guess.

I gotta agree with you on this one. I'll take my chances with a legacy. The idea of spending the rest of my career at a regional makes me want to stick a fork in my eye. But like you said, to each his own.

 

[catIIIc]

And you are forgetting that there are local politicians out there that will squash a deal if they even attempt to close a base in their local area. That is why Anderson had to assure Ohio Senators and Congressmen that he would NOT close the base. Had he not, they would have raised heck. The key to this merger is that most of NWA's route structure fits in with ours. The sum of the pieces is better than the original. We can attract more corporate customers with the whole world covered than slowly doing it ourselves. And, leaving hubs or abandoning them opens up opportunities for LCCs, which is something we would have done in the past and we can't afford to do now.


Bye Bye--General Lee

AA did the same thing with RDU, BNA, and STL. CEO's will say anything to get the deal done and then citing "ecomomic reasons" do what they damn well please.

 

[Superpilot92]

General Lee say Delta is buying NW >>????

I thought it was a merger and not a buyout??

But if it is a buy out, how in the world are you in BK and then next year you are buying a multi billion dollar business, after screwing all your employees?? WOW

And not everyone wants to work for DL,NW,AA,CAL,UAL
15-20 year F.O.--NO thank you !!

Friend was all excited flying the 767 out of JFK,,guess what he ended up doing ..3-4 legs up and down eastcoast...grass is greener ?

Where is that at? I would say your either over exaggerating or being a drama queen. Being an FO at a Legacy beats the crap out of being anything at a regional IMHO.

 

[General Lee]

General Lee say Delta is buying NW >>????

I thought it was a merger and not a buyout??

But if it is a buy out, how in the world are you in BK and then next year you are buying a multi billion dollar business, after screwing all your employees?? WOW

And not everyone wants to work for DL,NW,AA,CAL,UAL
15-20 year F.O.--NO thank you !!

Friend was all excited flying the 767 out of JFK,,guess what he ended up doing ..3-4 legs up and down eastcoast...grass is greener ?

Is he flying the 767 out of JFK? That would be the INTL ER category, and JFK does not do domestic legs. ATL ER does some during the Winter, but not JFK. He may have been thrown on some of those as a reserve, but he will be doing only Europe and Africa stuff this Summer.

Enjoy that RJ.

Bye Bye--General Lee