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Accelerated aircraft deliveries? To whom, Compass? You folks at the red tail were in such a frenzy to race your fellow pilots to the bottom, you beat the regionals. NWA is doing better because they are going to shift your flying away from your pilot group. Give it time.

-TG
 
Northwest has planes on order from both Boeing and Airbus but none from Bombardier. I think they are trying to decide between the CRJ900 and one of the EMB-190 for their regional feed, but they haven't ordered any.

They have 18 787-8s on order from Boeing for delivery in 2008 - so that might be within two years.

Northwest has 19 airplanes on order from Airbus: 12 A330s and 7 of the A319/320 family - that's probably what they are trying to accelerate.

http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet
 
iaflyer said:
Northwest has planes on order from both Boeing and Airbus but none from Bombardier. I think they are trying to decide between the CRJ900 and one of the EMB-190 for their regional feed, but they haven't ordered any.

They have 18 787-8s on order from Boeing for delivery in 2008 - so that might be within two years.

Northwest has 19 airplanes on order from Airbus: 12 A330s and 7 of the A319/320 family - that's probably what they are trying to accelerate.

http://ir.nwa.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=111021&p=irol-fleet
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They have not bought any aircraft for compass. Apparently, they are storing a number of CRJ aircraft, 705's perhaps; 20 is what they tell me.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
They have not bought any aircraft for compass. Apparently, they are storing a number of CRJ aircraft, 705's perhaps; 20 is what they tell me.
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705s? Bombardier says they have only sold 15 of the 705, and they delivered all 15 to Air Canada.

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_0.jsp

Also, I would think they would need permission of the bankruptcy court to purchase airplanes and there would be a hearing or something involved. I think the labor groups would have a fit if NW was buying planes to have them sit. I also doubt the judge would let them buy planes and then let them sit too.
 
iaflyer said:
705s? Bombardier says they have only sold 15 of the 705, and they delivered all 15 to Air Canada.

http://www.bombardier.com/index.jsp?id=3_0&lang=en&file=/en/3_0/3_0.jsp

Also, I would think they would need permission of the bankruptcy court to purchase airplanes and there would be a hearing or something involved. I think the labor groups would have a fit if NW was buying planes to have them sit. I also doubt the judge would let them buy planes and then let them sit too.
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They have delivered 15, it says no where about how many they have built. Also I don't believe they have plans to release them until they are out of bankruptcy.
 
YourPilotFriend said:
They have delivered 15, it says no where about how many they have built. Also I don't believe they have plans to release them until they are out of bankruptcy.
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Large aircraft companies like Boeing, Airbus and Bombardier don't build airplanes without orders - it's financial suicide. Also, Northwest is in bankruptcy - they can't make financial decisions without the approval of the judge - it's that simple. He controls the checkbook. Shoot - after a company declares bankruptcy, one of the first requests from the company is for approval to pay the upcoming payroll. Northwest can't be off making deals for airplanes without the approval of the court.

So you think Bombardier would make build $700 million (20 * approx $35 mil per airplane) of product without having a signed business deal and deposits? Ha.
 
i would have to agree with this last statement, there are so many i heard so and so say that they talked to a good source who was in a hanger, or knew a GE rep, or whatever that they saw a few 705's parked in NWa paintjobs up in Montreal, its a bunch of crap, those are such $$ machines, they would not be able to sit on such capital.....oh, did anyone see what NWa announce today with the amount they lost this last quarter? wow, how could they lose so much when others are succeeding? their flights are full, their cost structure is like others? I beleive the judge needs to look at the top for cuts. pay and pink slips
 
NWA turned an operational profit for the Quarter. We lost money due to charges related to Chapter 11, special expenses, and coriolis force.
 
TinGoose1 said:
Accelerated aircraft deliveries? To whom, Compass? You folks at the red tail were in such a frenzy to race your fellow pilots to the bottom, you beat the regionals. NWA is doing better because they are going to shift your flying away from your pilot group. Give it time.

-TG
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More speculation from someone who knows everything about some place he's never worked.

They accelerated the 330 deliveries, why do you think the DC10s are being parked so fast?

Tool.
 
320AV8R,

I've seen this before. It's dangerous if we wake him up! Let the Ambien wear off naturally, keep him away from the electrical outlets, and call his parents after he comes-around.

With all the self-assured Airline Industry Experts around here, you'd think at least ONE of them woulda posted the Final Jeopardy answer by now...
 
No one mentioned that the 330's are replacing the DC-10's that have also been accelerated to the bone-yard... therefore net aircraft deliveries are not nearly has high as has been alluded to on this thread... also Compass is a POS sellout deal made by the MEC and the guy from Airways (working at NWA now) that set up MidAtlantic and then sold it off to Republic for crappy wages and rules... the Airways guys could choose to go to Republic and give up their Airways seniority #'s or go and work for a regional... don't think it will be ANY different at Compass when it bids well for NWA to sell it off to show a good bottom line one year so Steenland and his "heard" can make good money off the board assigned bonuses...

Tail
 
Tailhook,

Our current contract specifically addresses this issue. The Negotiating committee was fully aware of what happened at Airways and our contract language protects our pilots if they plan on flying for Compass until their NWA number is called. Furloughed NWA pilots will hold their number until recalled unless they choose not to return and specifically resign. They are not required to resign to fly for Compass or Pinnacle. Some of our negotiating members were born at night........, but not last night.
 
I don't blame the NWA pilots for not honoring the mechanic's strike They need money to put fuel in their boats this summer. And since the NWA pilot pay structure is exceedingly close to regional pay, the pilots need to fly max schedules. A strike at NWA is only given consent by the pilots if it is their strike. If NWA management wanted to outsource 52% percent of the flying to Pinnacle, they would then think that it was in the best interest of all NW employees for a strike by the pilots.

Bottom line is that the machanics had no choice. Half were gonna be unemployed anyway. When management does the same to the FA's the pilots will scream that they are not team players. When management does it to the pilots, the pilots still won't get it. More concessions will get voted in and the industry, with the help of the ALPA Mainline pilot, will be one not worth the effort and time to work in.
 
Check me if I'm wrong Sandy....

But if you go to work for Compass and then Compass is then sold off then you have to go w/ the "certificate" to the next of hire and they have to accept and keep your pilot position... not at the same wages or seat. There's alot of nebulous wording in the "agreement" that leads on to what I just said. If I'm wrong then let me know... but I think you've bought into the MEC B/S on this POS deal. I'm not trying to be a d!k but reallly I want to be proven wrong b/c I smell a rat...

Tail

PS- It doesn't smell bad to you that NWA does not operate this Compass under the same certificate?????? They bought Indy Air's certificate to operate Compass under... for a reason. Wake up and smell the dung brothers... it ain't what it sounds like. Don't trust your dope smoking union rep who will b/s you into thinking that ALPA saved your job. It's a smoke screen to apease you into thinking they care... so the senior guys can have their piece of the pie and get out while you're stuck holding your.... you know what.
 

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