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It sounds like you're pretty emotional about something happening at another carrier, that doesn't even involve you.
TinGoose1 said:
If your TA is ratified, the only thing you will have done is scarified the bottom 1000 pilots to save your pensions.
Explain how. Where do you get the 1000 number ? It's public knowledge that passage of the TA has no bearing on the pension. The TA could pass, the legislation could fail, & the pension would be toast.
After those 1000 pilots become regional pilots, your pensions will evaporate just like ours......
Maybe, maybe not..... see above.
The place you save pensions is on capital hill, not at the regionals.
I agree, where was it stated otherwise ?
So for those of you in the bottom 1000 at NWA, good luck if this TA is ratified. You'll be regional pilots who will be making middle of the pack "regional pay" with only a hollow promise of returning.
What is your source ? The latest LEC meetings, MEC road shows, multiple ALPA e-mails, regular mailings, negotiators, LEC reps, ALPA Nat'l speakers, etc all indicate otherwise.
Have you received any of the above information, or been to any NW presentation on this subject ? Talked to anyone directly involved ?
I say hollow because the pensions will evaporate and Compass will be IPO'd. After a couple of years of flying a regionals schedule and pay, those same pilots who voted to ratify this POS will give up more scope. You will then be joined by 1000 more of your brothers at Compass.
If you can predict this with such certainty, can you PM me with some stock tips ?
If you ratify this POS TA, you will have not only won the race to the bottom at the majors, you will have won the race at the commuters. You guys will decide if this remains a career, or if we all will end up flying RJ's.
Really ? Hmmmm.... this TA has defined work rules for ALL our mainline flying. UAL flying below the 757 level has NO work rules.
Our sick leave is capped at 1200 hours, with totals above that grandfathered. America West's is capped at 500 hours, US Air's at 60.
We retained our BOD seat. How many other pilot groups have that ?
Our successorship & fragmentation language is the best out there.... how's yours ?
As you can see, there is some more room before we get to the bottom.
As far as a job or a career, we will decide what happens here.... not where you are, or elsewhere. When UAL got their massive raises, did all other pilot groups get one too ? UAL, USAir & DAL pilots lost / will lose their pension.... we may or may not. Your union where you are is soley responsible for your working conditions.... not us or anybody else.
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