NWA Pilots Authorize Strike.

[blzr]

In the MONEY section of USA Today, it said the judge will rule on whether or not management can impose new pay rates on pilots.. Isn't that loke opening pandoras box, as if it hasn't already been ith pentions and all. If the Judge rules in fvor of management, every pilot group is screw'd. What would be the point of negotiating with the thieves in management when all they have to do is let the court take everything away anyway?

Things just keep gettin' better and better!

 

[ironspud]

bla bla bla
we've seen this all before at other airlines.

company threatens bankruptcy

Pilots take pay cuts(voluntary)

company file chapter 11

threatens more pay and benefit cuts

Company lets slip what they want from a judge( contract that sucks really bad)

company threatens 1113 motion to void contract.

union starts to negotiate more cuts.

Union stands strong and says we will strike if 1113 imposed

Union Touts 90+ percent strike vote

company say pilots are greedy and don't care about the rest of the company's employees( company wants to start war within employees)

The day the judge is supposed to rule on 1113 some thing happens (ie..
tentative agreement, ruling postponed, bla bla bla)

Union comes to membership with a ta ( ta sucks bad but not as bad as the company wish list)

Member ship votes for the negotiated crap contract by just above 50%
justifies this crap by saying" it beats finding a new job" or "We will live to fight a new day" or bla bla bla.)

Bottom line is: we all know that there will not be a strike! The strike vote is like giving kids a chance to pick crayons from the new box or the old bucket. it just doesn't matter the out come.


you NWA pilots don't have the nerve. in the end the company will roll over you like they did the mechanics!
have fun licking you wounds.

I am really sorry that this is going to happen to you guys. but why shouldn't it? It is what happened to the airline pilots who's company's have filed bankruptcy.

Good post. You've obviously been around this industry a while. Only thing I could add is that the final TA vote will be the classic 53% for, 47% against. That's what it always is.

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

AP
Northwest Pilots Authorize Strike
Tuesday February 28, 7:32 pm ET Northwest Pilots Authorize Strike if Airline Carries Out Threatened Pay-Cut and Work-Rule Changes

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- The pilots union at Northwest Airlines Corp. said Tuesday that its members have authorized a strike if the carrier imposes its threatened pay-cut and work-rule changes.

More than 92 percent of pilots voted in favor of authorizing a strike, said Wade Blaufuss, spokesman for the Northwest branch of the Air Line Pilots Association. He said more than 90 percent of Northwest's 4,851 eligible pilots voted.

Blaufuss spoke by phone from New York, where the union leadership is meeting amid talks with the airline.
The vote authorizes union leaders to call a strike, but doesn't guarantee that they will. The union has said it wouldn't strike unless Northwest imposes pay-cut and work rule changes. Wednesday is the earliest that could happen. That's the day that New York bankruptcy judge Allan Gropper is set to rule on the airline's request to reject its union contracts with pilots and flight attendants. Flight attendants have also threatened to strike, but their vote doesn't wrap up until March 6.

Yawn....The judge will extend the new and imporved deadline, again, until the pilots get some crappy TA that will pass with over 51%. Same circus...just differnt clowns.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

If the original clowns hadn't bent over, maybe we wouldn't be in this position. This is a business where every competitive edge must be exploited to its fullest potential. Any predictions on the first group to give up the 100 seater?

 

[727Capt]

FDJ2,
That isn't a very good result if you ask me. In 1998, ASA had 98% in favor of striking with a 98% voter turn out. Mesaba just had a 98% vote in favor of striking. 90% voting with 92% voting in favor isn't very good. It also is a good indication of the DAL vote. The NWA pilots, aka Cobra pilots, are much more militant than the DAL pilots. This would indicate that a DAL vote will be even worse.

:bomb: In case you didn't see this on the other post...
Wow, That's an amazing leap of logic. The NWA pilots overwhelmingly step up to the plate and refuse to allow the execs at NW to pull the contract from them under the approval of a bankruptcy judge. From that you spew out your continued anti-ALPA B.S. I wonder who filled out those ballot forms...the pilots or the big ALPA monster? Joe, grow up and realize the facts, this industry is under an assault from all directions and we should fight the battle with every tool we have at our disposal.
uke:

 

[Boeingman]

Whatever happens, I wish my brothers and sisters at NWA the best in this fight for not only their careers, but in the long run, all of ours.

These actions by NWA management are reminiscent of CAL in 83. I believe they are facing a much more determined labor busting group than Lorenzo ever was. If the pilots agree to management demands or come to an agreement, it will only be a matter of time before their management comes back for more.

This is history repeating itself.

 

[General Lee]

I believe we will have a high percentage of YES votes for a strike vote if it comes to that also, and watching what happens with NW now that they had a high YES vote percentage, will only enforce that. We will probably get released to the arbitrators tomorrow, and then it could take 45 days to get a yes or no for the 1113c request. We have plenty of time to watch how NW does, and we are all behind the NW pilots. Good luck guys!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

Good luck NWA pilots.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

vtwo..
that was, with out a doubt, the dumbest post I have seen on here yet...

Thats really saying something!

 

[Dizel8]

Actually, I think vtwo is probably right and I think his scenario is spot on, although could have lived without the acidic remarks.

Wishing the best for the NWA pilots, whatever you guys and gals choose.

 

[dbrownie]

Nobody will strike. It would be the end. Do you really think all those guys/gals want to lose it all. They will work for peanuts rather than work for nothing. Lets face reality. The end is here for our high income dreams. Let hope we can all afford it. Time to go from the Porcshe to the Pontiac. I cant even spell Porcshe so I can't afford it.

Red Dog;

Yes we will strike.
I know I will, if we call a strike that will probably be the end of NWA and my
job here. We are already working for peanuts, the company just keeps asking for more. We all know it will be the end of NWA and yet over
90% said "yes we will strike".
I don't drive a porcshe, have a big house or "high income dreams" (sounds like you have been reading the company news wire). If you are a professional pilot or get your paycheck from a airline you should hope that the NWA pilots hold the line.

I know I will.

Dave B

 

[bluejuice787]

If the original clowns hadn't of bent over maybe we wouldn't be in this position. This is a business where every competitive edge must be exploited to it's fullest potential. Predictions on the first group to give up the 100 seater?

I predict that you did not pay attention in English class.

 

[flyinglow]

United set the precedent. These events will likely follow the same road. If the judge has too he will extend the negotiations for three years. If NWA goes chapter 7, it could have disatrous effects on the economies of Minnesota, Detroit, and Memphis. That is what is paramount on the judges mind.

 

[81Horse]

... If NWA goes chapter 7, it could have disatrous effects on the economies of ... Detroit ...

Detroit has no economy, so no worry there!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I predict that you did not pay attention in English class.

Happy now?

 

[rtmcfi]

I predict that you did not pay attention in English class.

Neither did you. How exactly does one predict something in the past?

 

[81Horse]

How exactly does one predict something in the past?

It's easy to make exact predictions about the past; the future -- not so much.

 

[Ty Webb]

Red Dog;

If you are a professional pilot or get your paycheck from a airline you should hope that the NWA pilots hold the line.

I know I will.

Dave B

Very true. . . .


.

 

[Yudso]

What's the latest on negotiations? Any movement towards a TA?

 

[vetrider]

The Northwest folks will know what the best thing to do is as the situation unfolds, and they will do it regardless of what all of us outsiders say or think. I wish them well, no matter how they handle it.

 

[wmuflyguy]

CNN reported that the union and company had an 11am deadline to present their last offers. Anyword on if they are delaying the court ruling yet?

 

[320AV8R]

Looking in from the outside is a lot different from being here.

Everybody has had enough of the Employee Jihad. We have two paycuts in place, only get 75% of our sick pay, have nothing going into our retirement, no crew meals, NEWCO this NEWCO that, etc.....

Osama Bin Steenland wants more....... a lot more. There is a difference in adjusting your contractual provisions to become competitive & avoid CH 7...... it's another thing to have mgmt demand more than is required, just because they're in CH 11 & feel they can take advantage of the situation.

People here have had enough..... hence the strike vote. I am certain that if mgmt imposes a contract, we will strike. Mgmt will get an injunction, & the legal battle will begin.

320AV8R

 

[pookie]

I dont know much about NWA and the strike but investors are predicting the demise of NWA this morning. UAL stocks have been increasing in the last couple of hours with the projection of a NWA strike. As i said earlier, i can only give you the financial interests and wish all the boys and gals at NWA good luck.

 

[MickeySlapnutz]

Looking in from the outside is a lot different from being here.

Everybody has had enough of the Employee Jihad. We have two paycuts in place, only get 75% of our sick pay, have nothing going into our retirement, no crew meals, NEWCO this NEWCO that, etc.....

Osama Bin Steenland wants more....... a lot more. There is a difference in adjusting your contractual provisions to become competitive & avoid CH 7...... it's another thing to have mgmt demand more than is required, just because they're in CH 11 & feel they can take advantage of the situation.

People here have had enough..... hence the strike vote. I am certain that if mgmt imposes a contract, we will strike. Mgmt will get an injunction, & the legal battle will begin.

320AV8R

Looks like the FA's have not had enough. The jihad is alive and well. Mgmt will not impose a contract on the pilots....the pilots will don the suicide vest in the form of a TA later today.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

An extention is likely, unless the judge determines that the nwa pilot deal is fair. Then he will rule not to reject the CBA, however, if he feels the companies current offer is fair, he will reject the CBA. An extention is likely.

 

[Pilot Knob]

Local news is reporting that the FA's have signed a TA. No word on the pilots as of yet. If the post from Mickey is alluding to this, I apologize.

 

[Dizel8]

NWA FA T/A:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060301/ap_on_bi_ge/northwest_labor

MINNEAPOLIS - Negotiators for flight attendants reached a pay-cut deal with Northwest Airlines Corp. on Wednesday as the carrier continued talks with the pilots' union.

All the details were not immediately released. However, the airline said it got the $195 million in annual savings it had been seeking. The union said Northwest dropped its demand to use more non-U.S. flight attendants on overseas flights, which had been at the core of its strike threat.

 

[FDJ2]

However, the airline said it got the $195 million in annual savings it had been seeking.

That $$$ figure can be manipulated. It's a matter of costing certain elements of a contract. My hunch is the FAs took less of a pay cut then the company wanted and held the ground on the scope issues that were important to them. I wonder if they got some snap backs or options when NWA exits BK.

 

[General Lee]

That $$$ figure can be manipulated. It's a matter of costing certain elements of a contract. My hunch is the FAs took less of a pay cut then the company wanted and held the ground on the scope issues that were important to them. I wonder if they got some snap backs or options when NWA exits BK.

Looks like their FA's had their own "scope" issues. (although I am sure some new "Singapore Air" type stews would have looks great in those red uniforms) The Grandmas are here to stay!!!! Yippppeeeeee???


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[vtwo]

Sorry

320 an red dog I did not intend to slam the NWA pilots. I only tried to share what has happened to others. this will happen to you guys too( I predict)


I hope I am wrong and somebody in this god forsaken industry says enough.

Let Management find revenue, not cut employees pay.
I for one am sick of subsidizing fuel cost so pax can get a 40 dollar ticket from msp to ord at the last minute.

I just don't see it happening yet. management has hired the same firm that have busted down the employees at other bankrupt carriers. they will use the same tactics to bust you guys down.

I am sorry if this offends but it is my prediction.
I hope I am wrong