NWA/DAL JPWA highlights

[Superpilot92]

NWA isnt overstaffed. I added up the number of required pilots needed at Year End with the reductions and its just under 5000. We have 5200ish pilots now. So if you take out the mgmt positions, voluntary furloughs, LTD, military leaves you can see we arent going to be overstaffed. The only thing that the company is wondering is how many of the older guys are going to Punch out as soon as they see what they can milk out of this. Also if NWA planes are brought up to anything that resembles the DAL staffing model we will be SHORT pilots quick. Hypothetically if we ever got overstaffed by a little NWA doesnt want the cost associated with flowbacks when they know things are going to be changing quickly. Relax with the mythical "NWA overstaffing"

 

[Fly4hire]

It could take a year after the DCC before the FAA signs off on a combined certificate, so any NWA guy furloughed would go to Compass for a year, and we may have to hire at DL for new airplanes in the meantime. (how would that work with the SLI??)
Bye Bye--General Lee

GL.

You are clutching at straws -

Part of the alternative SLI framework agreement is that the SLI has to be complete - negotiated or arbitrated by DCC

If the SLI is complete and effective by DCC, any furloughs will come out of the combined list in seniority order.

If you think there is separate carve out that abrogates seniority outside of the integrated list between effective SLI and operational integration I think you are misinformed.

The only way furloughs can come exclusively from our side is before the SLI/DCC, and we have an LOA now that mitigates that largely by moving to DAL's staffing level of lower monthly maxes now.

 

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nevermind... see you guys after this is over with.

 

[Diesel-9]

Have to remember we have a large number of seniority list pilots IP's. Probably averages 10% of the bid list for Captains. When we loose the value of having that ($ and training quality) estimate a 200-300 number of extra pilots will occur there. Was earlier mentioned that NWA only flew around an hour more than DAL pilots per month. It is actually closer to 9-10 hours more a month when you divide tha actual number of pilots bidding a line vs the total bid list which includes the non-flying IP's that month. The DAL work rules with less flying done per pilot will absorb most of these lost instructor jobs and will take time to phase in. Hear there are now 350-400 people with retirement papers in their hands and waiting to see what comes out of the deal. When they see the huge increase in out of pocket medical/insurance cost and other changes, think you will see them all leave under the old plan prior to the changeover date.

 

[Superpilot92]

nevermind... see you guys after this is over with.

You first assume our MGMT gives a crap about our pilots let alone the junior ones. Has it occurred to you that Maybe just Maybe we are about to switch NWA to something that resembles the DAL staffing model, i mean we are about to merge? Second I sent you the numbers to show you we arent overstaffed. Finally the cost associated with furloughing people EVEN IF we were would cost OUR company a lot of money. And considering the plans and planes that are coming IF either side had to furlough it would dbe short lived. Would you prefer OUR company waste money and furloughed people unnecessarily? I hope not. We have good things coming to this New airline and you can call it rosy if you want but we NEED to put down the swords.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Why didn't we adopt the NWA medical plans? I thought we were supposed to take the best from both sides.

 

[Superpilot92]

Hear there are now 350-400 people with retirement papers in their hands and waiting to see what comes out of the deal. When they see the huge increase in out of pocket medical/insurance cost and other changes, think you will see them all leave under the old plan prior to the changeover date.

Heard the same thing today in the Crewroom from a number of the on the fence guys. They are looking at almost double the cost for retirement medical costs for the rest of their lives if they stay. They are on the fence now and leaning on dropping off.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I don't know why you are so happy a swa 737 Capt. still makes more then a 747 or 777 capt.

Yeah, and my airline can beat up your airline. Who gives a crap! Sounds like small dick syndrome school boy.

 

[General Lee]

GL.

You are clutching at straws -

Part of the alternative SLI framework agreement is that the SLI has to be complete - negotiated or arbitrated by DCC

If the SLI is complete and effective by DCC, any furloughs will come out of the combined list in seniority order.

If you think there is separate carve out that abrogates seniority outside of the integrated list between effective SLI and operational integration I think you are misinformed.

The only way furloughs can come exclusively from our side is before the SLI/DCC, and we have an LOA now that mitigates that largely by moving to DAL's staffing level of lower monthly maxes now.

So let me get this straight, if you guys want to fence the 744s for 5 years (which is something we anticipate) and we say you need to fence the DC9s for 5 years (hopefully this will happen), and the new Delta decides to dump the DC9s (that were FENCED) and not get an immediate replacement, then guys with original DL numbers would be furloughed? Even though the DC9s were FENCED? Really? I think you might need to rethink that. The bottom amount of DC9 FOs equivalent to the number of displaced DC9 pilots would go to Compass, and if it was FENCED, then it would come from you guys, or newhires hired after the certificates are joined....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Have to remember we have a large number of seniority list pilots IP's. Probably averages 10% of the bid list for Captains. When we loose the value of having that ($ and training quality) estimate a 200-300 number of extra pilots will occur there. Was earlier mentioned that NWA only flew around an hour more than DAL pilots per month. It is actually closer to 9-10 hours more a month when you divide tha actual number of pilots bidding a line vs the total bid list which includes the non-flying IP's that month. The DAL work rules with less flying done per pilot will absorb most of these lost instructor jobs and will take time to phase in. Hear there are now 350-400 people with retirement papers in their hands and waiting to see what comes out of the deal. When they see the huge increase in out of pocket medical/insurance cost and other changes, think you will see them all leave under the old plan prior to the changeover date.

That could change too. We don't have many line pilots doing training. Line guys do give checkrides (called APDs) in the sim, and a certain percentage are trainers, but most are retired guys which are paid a straight salary. It is cheaper that way, and in this environment expect Delta do look for some cost cutting.


Bye Bye--General Lee