NWA/DAL/Hat?

[ACL65PILOT]

I hope for all of our sakes you are way off base. It this is the case, then I am glad that I have kept a log book and resume up to date. I do not see this coming. Maybe parking DC 9's and some 88's short term, but one thing I think our managers have figured out is this. We need to keep market share in their period of industry flux. If you relent now, you give an opening to SWA and all of the other LCC that are slowly dieing. Given them areas to grow is one sure way to make this merger be a total disaster for us.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

When it comes to DAL. I think that about 500-800 or our pilots are non line active. Some are in management and some are on LTD or Mil leave.

It is the benefit of our staffing formula. It will be something that helps all of us when the NWA group and fleet falls under a JPWA

 

[Superpilot92]

Don't have my contract with me, but I believe that if our uniforms are changed the company has to pay for the first. Don't think it will matter as we all may be buying walmart greeter unis. I fully expect dal/nwa to make an anouncement similar or worse than ual did today. And I expect our side (nwa) to take the brunt of the hits. My guess is 20% furlough of the combined list of 12000 or about 2400 with our side eating about 1800 of those. Hope I am wrong. The old wife always says I am a debbie downer wannabe when it relates to the airlines.

There is a big difference though, UAL lost as much if not more money last quarter than both DAL and NWA COMBINED. UAL is in a different boat than NWA and DAL as in their mgmt team has no intention on making UAL a successful airline. The new Delta with the combo of nwa should be very successful. We shall see.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Being a industry leader is not saying too much. Look how bad this industry is doing.

 

[Superpilot92]

Being a industry leader is not saying too much. Look how bad this industry is doing.

Now your just being a glass half empty type of guy.

There is adjusted my comment, better?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Being a industry leader is not saying too much. Look how bad this industry is doing.

It's kinda like running in the special olympics.

 

[Jiminmem]

How true.

Well, I'll continue to enjoy the "good life" on the glorious -9 till the furlough notice arrives.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.

Break that up into narrow-body and wide-body and it will make more sense. NWA has about 2010 narrow-body pilots and 222 narrow-body aircraft. So it's really 9 pilots per plane on the narrow body.

 

[Jiminmem]

That makes sense. I know they over staff the wide bodies by quite a bit, just didn't see those numbers adding up the -9 or 320 side.

 

[wings421]

On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.

I'd say a sidenote on the numbers would be that most lists still have the guys on furlough/mil leave etc... and that might screw with the #s a bit.

 

[Diesel-9]

I think if you factor in all the seniority list instructors, NWA numbers are much lower. Couple years ago NWA was just below SWA.

 

[dtfl]

Hats?

HATS are important?

Whoa! All this Big Picture stuff is making me a little woozy...

You are right, but evidently, wearing a hat is a huge deal to some folks..even ones at DAL. I just wear the g*d d*mn hat. BIG DEAL. The company says so..the regs say so....it doesn't give me spinal problems...so I wear it.

And as far as the uniform.....lots of customers comment on it all the time. It's not going
anywhere...

But hey....the AF leaders are just like the execs in the airline industry...change the uniform for the sake of change....so DALs uniform is not half as bad as the new "retro-former-Soviet-Block-AF-Dress-uniform".......

http://mcnabb.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/male_bm1_1.jpg

back to that SLI now in progress.........

 

[GeorgeTG]

On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.

Those numbers don't mean very much all by themselves.

Other factors to consider are
aircraft utilization in hours/day
revenue generation per trip, etc.

For example (hypothetical):

Airline owns 1 plane.
The plane flies 1 hour each day.
4 pilots are on payroll.

pilots/aircraft = 4
pilots/flight hour = 4

wow that's really a good number (sarcasm)

Same airline, still one plane.
Plane flies 20 hours every day
10 pilots are on payroll

pilots/aircraft = 10
pilots/flight hour = 5

Also to consider:
A cargo company with lot's of revenue per flight can have the plane sit idle most of the day, the profit margin/leg is very high.

A passenger operator with a low margin/leg will have to utilize the aircraft more to increase profits.

In this day and age crew cost isn't the big factor it once was.

By increasing pilot ranks the aircraft utilization rate can be pushed up thus generating more revenue.


Cheers
George

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

But hey....the AF leaders are just like the execs in the airline industry...change the uniform for the sake of change....so DALs uniform is not half as bad as the new "retro-former-Soviet-Block-AF-Dress-uniform".......

http://mcnabb.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/male_bm1_1.jpg

back to that SLI now in progress.........

Are they seriously changing from the blues to that? WTF? Do you have to do the communist high kick march when you march in those as well?



The DAL uniform is by far(t) the sharpest uniform out there. They gotta ditch the leather jackets at least, thats for sure... something about a black leather jacket and navy blue pants..ick. First time I saw an NWA pilot walking down the hall wearing that thing I thought it was a lost sketchy ad hoc freight pilot trying to make his way home.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I thought it was a lost sketchy ad hoc freight pilot trying to make his way home.

Is there another kind?