NTSB: Both engines lost power

[Erlanger]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

 

[Bringupthebird]

Give it a rest guys...Be proud that you fly the same colors..

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

All USAPA does is demand and threaten. --->But not true in this case. Hey, if you are not happy with their methods, then let your local reps know.

By the way, how are they doing with getting Yosemite Sam his job back after bein' the rootin'-ist tootin'-ist gunslinger in the air?--->Again, ask your local reps. They should have a better idea on how all this is playing out.

USAPA doesn't have the civility or class to "ask" anyone for anything. They thrive off the drama.--->I think the statement said that Capt. Sullenberger was "asked". Thats all I can go on...the statement didn't mention r civility or class.

Why should the NTSB offer the group to participate in something safety related after their grandstanding USA Today ad?---->Maybe becasue they are the legal recognized bargaining agent for the Pilots involved? Just a guess.

The NTSB has allowed ALPA to be a party to investigations after they have taken out ads in newspapers. Remember the NTSB needs pilot intput during these investigation.

OK...so you don't like USAPA...if you work there....it is what it is....if you don't, why do you let it bother you so much?

 

[~~~^~~~]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

Very interesting. The story contends that this same ship number returned to base as a result of repeated compressor stalls within 48 hours prior of the accident.

I've not commented on this story because something about this did not seem quite right. An aircraft with high bypass turbofans FOD's both engines with no damage to the leading edges, radome, nacelles? What are the odds? Is it more likely the jet had a latent defect that made itself known under adverse conditions?

I'm not taking anything away from the crew, who did an outstanding job.

There may be a lot we do not know about the facts and circumstances of this event.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

I beg to differ, something is better than nothing...

 

[Captzaahlie]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

I hope for that previous 1549 crews welfare everything was documented properly....

 

[Erlanger]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html[/quote]

As I read this story again I find it very strange indeed. I am suspect of the account that one of the passengers gives. I won't rehash it all but read his account of everything. Some of what he says doesn't add up, especially this;

Jeffrey told CNN that US Airways earlier Monday confirmed to him that the Tuesday incident occurred aboard the plane that crashed.

I doubt anyone at US Air confirmed that to him especially with an investigation going on. Who did he speak to?

What about the engine fire? Did the crew not know? No one spoke up?

His description of the sound changed several times. First he says, "It sounded like the wing snapping off, then luggage banging again the airplane but a thousand times and then it sounded like the engine was thrown against the side. Who would give those descriptions? What does an engine banging against the side of an airplane sound like anyway or luggage times a thousand? How would he know what that sounded like?

 

[usav8r]

Huh?

Very interesting. The story contends that this same ship number returned to base as a result of repeated compressor stalls within 48 hours prior of the accident.

I've not commented on this story because something about this did not seem quite right. An aircraft with high bypass turbofans FOD's both engines with no damage to the leading edges, radome, nacelles? What are the odds? Is it more likely the jet had a latent defect that made itself known under adverse conditions?

I'm not taking anything away from the crew, who did an outstanding job.

There may be a lot we do not know about the facts and circumstances of this event.

For one, the radar data backs up the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aaaYkaAsWUl8&refer=home

I also have seen photos on the net of the A320 on the barge and one had a closeup of a dent on the slat that looks like a classic birdstrike. I cannot find the link, but when I do I'll post it.

I agree that there's a lot we do not know, but I highly doubt there was an issue with the engines.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

I imagine that 40k pay cut your talking about is your upgrade?

 

[Crzipilot]

Theres no way you could say just all the "rhetoric" is there?

(This makes you fall into the same group of monkeys flinging poop.... very sad.)

Never said all the rhetoric was on the west side, just simply said was tired of hearing the majority of it in all different venues here on the net. It might be from my juandiced view, but it seems that most of the east side is generally sitting in the background, and like intermittant gophers, pop up and comment against what the general greater number of west pilots on here have been going on and on about. ....oh well...

 

[Crzipilot]

Twist of the story, NTSB has acknowledged there was a compressor stall on aircraft 2 days prior. It was written up in the log book, and they were interested in talking to the crew of that flight. Also in the briefing First stage fan blades intact on number 2 engine. Some damage/debris on nosecone.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I imagine that 40k pay cut your talking about is your upgrade?

Downgrade after 6 years as Capt., but thanks for the concern.

I'm still at a loss to explain to my non-pilot friends why I'm paying the price for another groups blatant disregard for their obligations under binding arbitration.

The "Something is better than nothing" sentiment made by someone else is not lost on me either, having been through the "nothing" part before. The point is, the root cause is largely the same for both their furloughs and my downgrade - Bradford and every east pilot that supports him have had unrestricted ability to deny the implementation of a legitimate seniority list that would have protected our jobs.

I find it impossible to feign friendship with a group of pilots who know that what they are doing is wrong, yet continue to do so as long as no one compels them to do otherwise.

 

[Crzipilot]

Ok....even with the NIC as being the working seniority agreement, there would still have had to be a joint contract. I would say the west took a step backwards, with their attempted punishment of not agreeing to equal pay. Without such a joint contract, the airlines would still be seperate. Hence flying pulled down out of PHX and LAS would have resulted in maybe more than what you have experienced. I do recall seeing in some company update, that there hadn't been time moved to the east, that in actuality the west had a slight increase in time than what was planned. Not sure of the exact timeing of this statement, but it was sometime last year.

Without the merger do you think that the west would not have suffered the same circumstances. Two hubs, largely pleasure travel, would these have not been affected by the recent turn of events???/
No....I understand, it's all the fault of the pilots on the east, all of it......

 

[Bringupthebird]

Not necessarily. According to Hemenway's letter concerning the acceptance of the Nicoalu list, all that was necessary was the completion of contract negotiations. That could mean an impass, mediation, being parked by the NMB, any of a number of instances where negotiations had been concluded, but a vote not taken or the contract ratified.

With the Nic list implemented, there would be no east-west drawdown, only a headcount reduction and folks going where their seniority could hold.

With USAPA giving away portions of the west contract, it would not surprise me at all to see them negotiate with the company to lower the minimum fleet levels if they thought they could by their DOH list with it.

The east clearly proved that their word was no good and that they couldn't be trusted to live up to their agreements, thus the west was more than a little reluctant to support such people. Instead of trying to mend fences with the west, they started a new union since it was the only way they thought they could ignore the group they stabbed in the back.

I am fervently hoping that justice will be swift, sure and severe and that all of those who supported this ill-conceived cabal will apologize to the west for the damage they have inflicted.

There are far more who are willing to forgive than those willing to forget.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Downgrade after 6 years as Capt., but thanks for the concern.

I'm still at a loss to explain to my non-pilot friends why I'm paying the price for another groups blatant disregard for their obligations under binding arbitration.

So glad to read about your down grade. Next time you are at dinner with your non-pilot friends explaining why you lost your captain seat, don't forget to tell them you supported the age 65 change. Tell your guests you supported preventing retirements so you could work an extra five years at the expense of the next generation of pilots. Tell them your selfishness and support prevented the advantages the previous generation of pilots benefited from in their careers and your glad age 65 happened.

Age 65 support has delivered what you deserve. I am so glad to read you got burnt by your stupidity and are suffering the consequences of it. I hope you medical out in your late 50's.

 

[b707guy]

ALLLLLLRighty then!

Any more info on the reports of compressor stalls days before the ditching?

It's amazing reading the comments of various knuckleheads in some of the links (TMZ, etc...) who either know nothing of aviation or are so embittered by some past experience that they'll say anything to make themselves feel better, or worse, try to make someone look bad.

 

[Captzaahlie]

So glad to read about your down grade. Next time you are at dinner with your non-pilot friends explaining why you lost your captain seat, don't forget to tell them you supported the age 65 change. Tell your guests you supported preventing retirements so you could work an extra five years at the expense of the next generation of pilots. Tell them your selfishness and support prevented the advantages the previous generation of pilots benefited from in their careers and your glad age 65 happened.

Age 65 support has delivered what you deserve. I am so glad to read you got burnt by your stupidity and are suffering the consequences of it. I hope you medical out in your late 50's.

Hey lucky go "f" yourself.... I'm not that old and I'm not that young, but if I can fly an extra 5 years I'm all for it just because I enjoy it......... now go find yerself some cheeze wiz to go with that wine, OK?

You get to fly another 5 years too if you like.. so you are not getting the short end of the stick!


(this message courtesy of Goslings Black Seal 80 proof Bremuda Black Rum...since 1806)

 

[Captzaahlie]

ALLLLLLRighty then!

Any more info on the reports of compressor stalls days before the ditching?

It's amazing reading the comments of various knuckleheads in some of the links (TMZ, etc...) who either know nothing of aviation or are so embittered by some past experience that they'll say anything to make themselves feel better, or worse, try to make someone look bad.

thingz been really tight lipped about that info.... makes ya wanna go "HMMMMMM?"

 

[Whataburger]

Whats up?

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[Captzaahlie]

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:beer:


they are on me burger.....when Miss ll comes around and realizes what a wonderfull guy I am, prob. in 2017.....

good thing I'm so patient!