NTSB: Both engines lost power

[Benjamin Dover]

Sorry ruin a bonehead pilot story for the "shut the wrong one down" guys like othello, strchkr and M80drvr .....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/plane_splashdown

 

[contrail67]

I am just glad all the "hero" comments don't have to be taken back...good job guys.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

The question is answered. Again, nice job to the crew, you made the profession proud again.

 

[CFIT]

I'm so glad to hear that both engines were out as a result of incredible mis fortune and not a possible mistake.

Can you imagine the far reaching ramnifications if it had been a mistake?

Glad to hear it for the crew!

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Me too. I had that in the back of my mind as well. "What if..."

 

[PreContact]

Just thinking out loud here. Given the extreme rarity of a dual engine flameout, do you think LGA should have shutdown ops to examine the fuel truck that 1594 had received? I know it looks like birds took out both engines, but what if it had been fuel contamination?

 

[m80drvr]

Just thinking out loud here. Given the extreme rarity of a dual engine flameout, do you think LGA should have shutdown ops to examine the fuel truck that 1594 had received? I know it looks like birds took out both engines, but what if it had been fuel contamination?

Most likely more planes would have reported problems.

Nice to hear the crew did in fact do a great job.

 

[atrdriver]

Just thinking out loud here. Given the extreme rarity of a dual engine flameout, do you think LGA should have shutdown ops to examine the fuel truck that 1594 had received? I know it looks like birds took out both engines, but what if it had been fuel contamination?

My understand was that they reported the birdstrike, and stated they lost power as a result of the strike. May be wrong, but I think that I heard that. If that was the case, why on earth would they want to shut down the airport to check fuel?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I think he's on the other side of the clock (UPS?) and not thinking out loud too clearly!

 

[Captzaahlie]

I'm so glad to hear that both engines were out as a result of incredible mis fortune and not a possible mistake.

Can you imagine the far reaching ramnifications if it had been a mistake?

Glad to hear it for the crew!

Mistakes happen:

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/captzly/vestaroundneck2.jpg


(Just for the record I'm not implying anything about the crew of flt. 1549! I'm just poking fun at one of the lucky pax....:laugh

 

[scarface]

Outstanding job by the crew.

 

[Raoul Duke]

This is from an article currently posted on CNN: "Sullenberger had been scheduled to give his first public interview on Monday morning to NBC "Today" show host Matt Lauer, but the appearance was canceled Sunday at the request of the U.S. Airline
Pilots Association.
Stephen Bradford, president of the association, said he asked Sullenberger not to engage in any media activities because the pilots association has "interested party" status with the NTSB, which allows it to participate in the investigation."

Looks like FO Bradford is upset at all of the attention that the Capt Sullenberger is receiving. He probably cringes at all of the constant references to Capt Sullenberger's work with the ALPA Safety Committee. Once again demonstrating what a complete tool he is (Bradford). They prob threatened Capt Sullengerger with a lawsuit if he continued to discuss his association and work with ALPA.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Raoul,

I think that the article states that Captain Sullenburger was "asked" by the USAPA president. Not that the USAPA President "demanded" or "threatened".

It's only smart for him not to go public just yet. I really don't see a problem with waiting for the NTSB investigation to run it's course before Capt. Sullenburger does any public interviews.

 

[TWA Dude]

Free publicity:

http://www.myfoxny.com/myfox/pages/...ale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

 

[Bringupthebird]

Raoul,

I think that the article states that Captain Sullenburger was "asked" by the USAPA president. Not that the USAPA President "demanded" or "threatened".

All USAPA does is demand and threaten. A sure sign of insecurity.

By the way, how are they doing with getting Yosemite Sam his job back after bein' the rootin'-ist tootin'-ist gunslinger in the air?

USAPA doesn't have the civility or class to "ask" anyone for anything. They thrive off the drama.

Why should the NTSB offer the group to participate in something safety related after their grandstanding USA Today ad?

 

[B-atch]

Give it a rest guys...Be proud that you fly the same colors..

 

[Crzipilot]

They can't give it a rest. The have deep rooted hatred for those that prevent them from cashing the lottery ticket

 

[Captzaahlie]

They can't give it a rest. The have deep rooted hatred for those that prevent them from cashing the lottery ticket

Some just can't seem to grow up....

You kinda expect this from high school kids and monkeys throwing poop at one another.

 

[Crzipilot]

No, just really tired of hearing all the west rhetoric...

 

[Captzaahlie]

No, just really tired of hearing all the west rhetoric...

Theres no way you could say just all the "rhetoric" is there?

(This makes you fall into the same group of monkeys flinging poop.... very sad.)

 

[Erlanger]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

 

[Bringupthebird]

Give it a rest guys...Be proud that you fly the same colors..

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

All USAPA does is demand and threaten. --->But not true in this case. Hey, if you are not happy with their methods, then let your local reps know.

By the way, how are they doing with getting Yosemite Sam his job back after bein' the rootin'-ist tootin'-ist gunslinger in the air?--->Again, ask your local reps. They should have a better idea on how all this is playing out.

USAPA doesn't have the civility or class to "ask" anyone for anything. They thrive off the drama.--->I think the statement said that Capt. Sullenberger was "asked". Thats all I can go on...the statement didn't mention r civility or class.

Why should the NTSB offer the group to participate in something safety related after their grandstanding USA Today ad?---->Maybe becasue they are the legal recognized bargaining agent for the Pilots involved? Just a guess.

The NTSB has allowed ALPA to be a party to investigations after they have taken out ads in newspapers. Remember the NTSB needs pilot intput during these investigation.

OK...so you don't like USAPA...if you work there....it is what it is....if you don't, why do you let it bother you so much?

 

[~~~^~~~]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

Very interesting. The story contends that this same ship number returned to base as a result of repeated compressor stalls within 48 hours prior of the accident.

I've not commented on this story because something about this did not seem quite right. An aircraft with high bypass turbofans FOD's both engines with no damage to the leading edges, radome, nacelles? What are the odds? Is it more likely the jet had a latent defect that made itself known under adverse conditions?

I'm not taking anything away from the crew, who did an outstanding job.

There may be a lot we do not know about the facts and circumstances of this event.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

I beg to differ, something is better than nothing...

 

[Captzaahlie]

A strange twist to this story.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html

I hope for that previous 1549 crews welfare everything was documented properly....

 

[Erlanger]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/index.html[/quote]

As I read this story again I find it very strange indeed. I am suspect of the account that one of the passengers gives. I won't rehash it all but read his account of everything. Some of what he says doesn't add up, especially this;

Jeffrey told CNN that US Airways earlier Monday confirmed to him that the Tuesday incident occurred aboard the plane that crashed.

I doubt anyone at US Air confirmed that to him especially with an investigation going on. Who did he speak to?

What about the engine fire? Did the crew not know? No one spoke up?

His description of the sound changed several times. First he says, "It sounded like the wing snapping off, then luggage banging again the airplane but a thousand times and then it sounded like the engine was thrown against the side. Who would give those descriptions? What does an engine banging against the side of an airplane sound like anyway or luggage times a thousand? How would he know what that sounded like?

 

[usav8r]

Huh?

Very interesting. The story contends that this same ship number returned to base as a result of repeated compressor stalls within 48 hours prior of the accident.

I've not commented on this story because something about this did not seem quite right. An aircraft with high bypass turbofans FOD's both engines with no damage to the leading edges, radome, nacelles? What are the odds? Is it more likely the jet had a latent defect that made itself known under adverse conditions?

I'm not taking anything away from the crew, who did an outstanding job.

There may be a lot we do not know about the facts and circumstances of this event.

For one, the radar data backs up the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aaaYkaAsWUl8&refer=home

I also have seen photos on the net of the A320 on the barge and one had a closeup of a dent on the slat that looks like a classic birdstrike. I cannot find the link, but when I do I'll post it.

I agree that there's a lot we do not know, but I highly doubt there was an issue with the engines.

 

[Crzipilot]

Yeah, I should just get over the 40K pay cut that USAPA's foot dragging to avoid implementing the Nicolau list cost me. I guess the guys that took 100% pay cut for the same reason should just get over it too. When you see one, tell them.

I imagine that 40k pay cut your talking about is your upgrade?

 

[Crzipilot]

Theres no way you could say just all the "rhetoric" is there?

(This makes you fall into the same group of monkeys flinging poop.... very sad.)

Never said all the rhetoric was on the west side, just simply said was tired of hearing the majority of it in all different venues here on the net. It might be from my juandiced view, but it seems that most of the east side is generally sitting in the background, and like intermittant gophers, pop up and comment against what the general greater number of west pilots on here have been going on and on about. ....oh well...