Lear70
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1st year's bad enough with the pay cut for new-hires to "industry average" or $38.50, whichever is lower...anyone have a scoop on how much we are talking about on the pay rates. Also, a comparison on 1st year at some other airlines would be helpful.
The big problem is years 2-6, where every F/O on property will fall during the duration of this Agreement. Here's the summary I did for negotiations in D.C. which included all Major Airlines except cargo carriers:
Year ........ Industry Average ....... AAI Proposed Rate
1 ................. $ 40.44 ................... $ 38.50
2 ................. $ 72.99 ................... $ 63.48
3 ................. $ 82.83 ................... $ 68.29
4 ................. $ 87.39 ................... $ 74.68
5 ................. $ 94.29 ................... $ 77.48
6 ................. $ 99.98 ................... $ 80.43
These rates are BEFORE any pay cuts in the new Last And Final Offer given in exchange for getting BACK "scheduled block or better" (core block). If you included cargo carriers, that "industry average" goes up by about $4 an hour 1st year, $7 an hour each year thereafeter.
Upgrade is now at 3 years. This time next year (2008) it will be at 3 1/2. The year after that (2009), 4 years. The year after that (2010), 4 1/2 years. The year after that (2011), 5 years. That's the amendable date (3 1/2 years), so by the time we get close to another agreement (2 years of negotiations), it'll be 2013, we'll be sitting on 5-6 year upgrades for guys hired this year.
All that assumes no large changes in aircraft delivery slots and/or mergers/acquisitions.
So, figure out whether you want to be an F/O on the industry's 2nd or 3rd LOWEST pay scale for the next 5 years of your career, and/or upgrade into some of the most draconian reserve rules you've ever seen at a major airline.
I'm not interested, is anyone else?
You never, ever, give up work rules... takes too much negotiating capital to get them back. Negotiations 101... a class our NPA folks evidently missed.
Yes, Yes, No. Still the way I'm voting without industry AVERAGE F/O rates and work rule changes back to AT LEAST current book.
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