Not Mad at Comair

[MetroSheriff]

I agree, but I seem to remember one of the moderators stating that posting a scab list was punishable by a 5 minute major for unsportsmanlike conduct.

God forbid we lift the rock and shine the light on the spineless douchebags.

 

[ifly4food]

AV8tor,

If we'd have had a crystal ball to determine what DAL intended for our future, the decision would have been an easy one to make.

Since we didn't, we had to rely on information from our MEC and negotiating committee. They were privy to confidential financial information concerning the relationship that exists between DAL and CMR and determined through this analysis and with the benefit of the ALPA economic analysis department that this deal was in the best interests of Comair pilots. They also specifically mentioned that the $1.9 billion goodwill writedown of ASA and Comair in 4Q 2004 meant that DAL had a clean slate to do whatever they wanted with our respective companies. Theoretically, if they sell us well below our purchase price at this point, it will show up as a positive due to the de-valuation. In short, DAL calls the shots right now and it was in our best interest to start playing ball. The strike in 2001 and the failure to address the RFP were already two blackmarks against us. We don't really know if we would have withstood another black mark or not. Frankly, I was not personally inclined to vote no and potentially fall on my own sword to find out.

By playing ball, we have at least provided some job security for everyone on the list. It is regrettable that this all occurred during y'all's negotiations. However there is an upside. DAL has shown through this deal that our current agreement with the freeze is acceptable to keep CMR a growing and vibrant enterprise. It actually may give your negotiators some leverage. If they can produce a paytable that is somehow blended between your current rates and our frozen ones and insist on our workrules, they may be able to settle your contract a bit more quickly (i.e. since this is apparently acceptable to DAL). In essence, it provides a realistic goal for you guys to shoot for instead of our unaltered contract which is apparently unattainable in the post-9/11 environment.

We are not the enemy here, okay. This LOA is not the disaster that you and others or purporting it to be. Frankly, if the Deltanic keeps taking on water at the rate that it currently is, everybody at DAL, ASA, and CMR are going to have bigger things to worry about.

KAK

Actually, ALPA Economic & Financial Analysis was never asked to do an evaluation, nor even give the time to do one on their own.

 

[DDpaysoff]

Are you sure? I know that guy (don't know his background though) - I checked the list, and there's a guy with the same name, but he's got a relatively common name...

Anyway, here's the scab list link: http://www.fracpilot.com/Scabs%20by%20Name%20May04.PDF

Thanks RJ. mucho appreciated.

 

[ifly4food]

I agree, but I seem to remember one of the moderators stating that posting a scab list was punishable by a 5 minute major for unsportsmanlike conduct.

I don't have a problem with it, and I hope none of my fellow moderators do either. The scab list is what it is. If they don't like being on it, they shouldn't have scabbed.

That said, many of the scabs on there have been "cleansed" by none other than Duane Woerth, including our Security Committee Chairman at ASA, and all of the CAL scabs. Real classy, Duane.

 

[shamrock]

OK, I stand corrected.

 

[ASADriver]

God forbid we lift the rock and shine the light on the spineless douchebags.

One of these people is a committee chairman at ASA. What is our MEC thinking? Surely you don't support our MEC Chairman appointing a scab to the position of committee chairman do you?

 

[av8tor4239]

ASA driver..


Prove he is a scab.. I saw the name on the list, but you dont know it is the same guy.. I need proof.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Prove he is a scab.. I saw the name on the list, but you dont know it is the same guy.. I need proof.

I had my doubts too, but I strongly suspect it's him. The name on the scab list matches exactly, and it's not that common a name. He was very evasive about his prior flying experience...said he did some Part 121 flying "here-and-there" during the early Nineties.

I suppose we could just ask him..."hey M***, are you, by any chance, a f__king scab?"

 

[av8tor4239]

Well as far as the list is concerned guy in question walked across the 1989 EAL picket line. I would not be so quick to judge.. the list also says his middle name is JOHN, can this be confirmed? This could exhonerate him.. To be a SCAB is bad, to be an EX-SCAB is just as bad... Before accusations are made this should be verified...

 

[Typhoon1244]

...the list also says his middle name is JOHN...

Actually, it says his first name in John. If I were an Eastern scab, I'd go by my middle name at my next job, too!

It also says he got hired at Eastern in March of '89. Since the strike began on March 4th, that puts him in the lowest category of scabs, the bottom feeders...the first-day off-the-street scabs.

But, I reiterate, he is a really nice guy.

 

[RJFlyer]

INCOMING!!!

Hey RJFlyer, can you do something about the furniture in the penalty box???

HMM

I was just saving others the 30+ minutes of searching to find it.

Seems to me there are too many people throwing around accusations of others being "scabs" (on other threads in the past - see any thread on Freedom). The *ahem* people *ahem* on that list are true scabs.

But I was looking forward to doing some Home Improvement on the Penalty Box. Got my Binford Chainmaster 12000 ready to go!

 

[av8tor4239]

All Scabs Must Burn In Hell And On Earth.... Reinstatmet Or Not

 

[KingAirKiddo]

All Scabs Must Burn In Hell And On Earth.... Reinstatmet Or Not

So how do you really feel?

 

[shamrock]

I would not be so quick to judge.. the list also says his middle name is JOHN, can this be confirmed? This could exhonerate him./QUOTE]

Well, the first name on the scab list matches his first name as listed on company documents, and the middle name on the list matches what he goes by, so either it's him or he has exactly the same name as someone on the scab list. Sucks for him if the latter is true.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Actually, ALPA Economic & Financial Analysis was never asked to do an evaluation, nor even give the time to do one on their own.

This is important.

Section 40 of ALPA's adminstrative manual requires that ALPA perform a comprehensive economic analysis any time that management makes a concessionary request. So, again, we see that ALPA ignores its own rules when dealing with small jet barganing. The mainline guys ( political power ) wanted concessions, management wanted concessions and viola' the invention of "non-economic" concessions, that were later decided by the MEC to equal about $20,000,000.00

Ok, so if I am flying an airplane and we get busy on approach and I just get too busy to lower the landing gear - is that an excuse? No! and it is no excuse for ALPA, or the Comair MEC.

But - and a big BUT - there is a story behind the story....

ALPA has argued in Court that small jet restrictions have not and do not have any impact on the career growth, pay, or working conditions of ASA & Comair pilots. So now - how can ALPA's economic analysis department come along and say that the value of 35 new jets to Comair pilots is $ XXX ? Obviously if ALPA followed its own rules, National's Officers would be guilty of perjury, or at least revealed as a pack of liars.

Another important point - particularly given who posted the above quote - is that ALPA National is going to try to hang the blame on the local MEC's for their representational malfeasance. This is why it is so important that our Master Executive Counsels make the appropriate representational demands on ALPA National - do what is right, regardless of what you percieve the consequence might be. ALPA National will pay the bill for copy paper & the lights, they have no choice.

It is very likely that ASA will be sold in the not too distant future ( or has already ben sold to be announced next week according to some low level management sources ) and once again we will need the full measure of representation available from ALPA National. When this happens we must not allow ALPA to continue to ignore their representational obligation to members who fly small jets. The results could be disaster.

 

[~~~^~~~]

All Scabs Must Burn In Hell And On Earth.... Reinstatmet Or Not

Sorry - but do you want me to find my pictures of Duane Woerth eating cake with the Continental Scabs so they could get them back in the union to dilute the vote of small jet pilots?

These scabs did not even pay a penny of back dues.

Scabbing may mean something to you and me. It means very little to our union leadership.

This particular individual is now a contributing volunteer and probably supports our union activities with more dilligence than 97% of the ASA pilot list - I have always been a believer that folks can be redeemed and learn from past mistakes.

The Eastern guys were thinking the same thing the Comair pilots were thinking - "I'm flying, quick upgrade for me, I will go somewhere else with this experience." But, if you ran all the opportunistic ba$tards out of this business, who would fly the airplanes?

 

[737 Pylt]

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it's just not worth it

 

[chperplt]

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it's just not worth it

Come on... You know you want to!!!