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As I read all the bashing by pilots at other airlines, and by some of the “no” voters at Comair, I can’t help but wonder as to the rational for a lot of it. The clear majority in a democratic vote, decided by a 60 – 40 majority to accept and agree to the terms of the LOA. I’m quite positive all took their own vote as a serious matter, and made their decision after much study, evaluation and deliberation with others in their group.601Pilot said:
Then all the others yell and holler as if the pilots at Comair come from a different species of being than other humans are made of. Do you believe that their DNA is somehow different than yours as a collective group? Do you really believe that the water you drink is different than the water in CVG, and that is why a large group of people evaluated and chose the way they did? Did the Comair gene pool come from a different pond than yours? Did they have vastly different childhoods when growing up than you did? What could possibly explain why 1900 people of varied backgrounds are so extremely stupid as a group when compared to yours? What is so very “alien” in their life form to your own? I think I know what made your DNA so much more superior?
Maybe they are just like you, and IF you as a group had been in the same circumstance, would have had a similar if not identical outcome. You see, the Comair pilots made their individual evaluation of what was in their individual and in their collective best interests and then made a choice. Are you all so different from that as a collective group of beings? How did all your DNA, life experiences, and values form so differently for much of your lives.
It may have been honorable in ancient Japanese culture years ago to commit Harri-Kari, but that culture is gone now, and never existed in America. Comair pilots do not want others to be harmed by their own decision, but they want to have the best they can for themselves, and in the end all humans as a group, will tend to worry about their own survival, versus their neighbor down the street. Tell me how and when all you other pilots of such a highly advanced intellect will chose to fall on your sword for another entity at the expense of yourselves.
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jarhead said:
Jarhead, I dont think that there is water in CVG, the city is pumping KOOL AID out of the tap.
I dont think anyone is upset at any particular pilot, I think people are upset at the managment of comair for proposing the LOA, the MEC of comair for supporting the LOA (without discussing it with the ASA MEC, who was the trusted friend and brother in the big mix of DCI), and the Pilot group (not individual voters) of comair for voting the LOA in to effect.
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AV8tor,
If we'd have had a crystal ball to determine what DAL intended for our future, the decision would have been an easy one to make.
Since we didn't, we had to rely on information from our MEC and negotiating committee. They were privy to confidential financial information concerning the relationship that exists between DAL and CMR and determined through this analysis and with the benefit of the ALPA economic analysis department that this deal was in the best interests of Comair pilots. They also specifically mentioned that the $1.9 billion goodwill writedown of ASA and Comair in 4Q 2004 meant that DAL had a clean slate to do whatever they wanted with our respective companies. Theoretically, if they sell us well below our purchase price at this point, it will show up as a positive due to the de-valuation. In short, DAL calls the shots right now and it was in our best interest to start playing ball. The strike in 2001 and the failure to address the RFP were already two blackmarks against us. We don't really know if we would have withstood another black mark or not. Frankly, I was not personally inclined to vote no and potentially fall on my own sword to find out.
By playing ball, we have at least provided some job security for everyone on the list. It is regrettable that this all occurred during y'all's negotiations. However there is an upside. DAL has shown through this deal that our current agreement with the freeze is acceptable to keep CMR a growing and vibrant enterprise. It actually may give your negotiators some leverage. If they can produce a paytable that is somehow blended between your current rates and our frozen ones and insist on our workrules, they may be able to settle your contract a bit more quickly (i.e. since this is apparently acceptable to DAL). In essence, it provides a realistic goal for you guys to shoot for instead of our unaltered contract which is apparently unattainable in the post-9/11 environment.
We are not the enemy here, okay. This LOA is not the disaster that you and others or purporting it to be. Frankly, if the Deltanic keeps taking on water at the rate that it currently is, everybody at DAL, ASA, and CMR are going to have bigger things to worry about.
KAK
If we'd have had a crystal ball to determine what DAL intended for our future, the decision would have been an easy one to make.
Since we didn't, we had to rely on information from our MEC and negotiating committee. They were privy to confidential financial information concerning the relationship that exists between DAL and CMR and determined through this analysis and with the benefit of the ALPA economic analysis department that this deal was in the best interests of Comair pilots. They also specifically mentioned that the $1.9 billion goodwill writedown of ASA and Comair in 4Q 2004 meant that DAL had a clean slate to do whatever they wanted with our respective companies. Theoretically, if they sell us well below our purchase price at this point, it will show up as a positive due to the de-valuation. In short, DAL calls the shots right now and it was in our best interest to start playing ball. The strike in 2001 and the failure to address the RFP were already two blackmarks against us. We don't really know if we would have withstood another black mark or not. Frankly, I was not personally inclined to vote no and potentially fall on my own sword to find out.
By playing ball, we have at least provided some job security for everyone on the list. It is regrettable that this all occurred during y'all's negotiations. However there is an upside. DAL has shown through this deal that our current agreement with the freeze is acceptable to keep CMR a growing and vibrant enterprise. It actually may give your negotiators some leverage. If they can produce a paytable that is somehow blended between your current rates and our frozen ones and insist on our workrules, they may be able to settle your contract a bit more quickly (i.e. since this is apparently acceptable to DAL). In essence, it provides a realistic goal for you guys to shoot for instead of our unaltered contract which is apparently unattainable in the post-9/11 environment.
We are not the enemy here, okay. This LOA is not the disaster that you and others or purporting it to be. Frankly, if the Deltanic keeps taking on water at the rate that it currently is, everybody at DAL, ASA, and CMR are going to have bigger things to worry about.
KAK
Comair LOA
Here yah go! If you would visit ASA ALPA website you would find this too.
Medeco
Part 1
Typhoon1244 said:
Here yah go! If you would visit ASA ALPA website you would find this too.
Medeco
Part 1
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
1
1
LETTER OF AGREEMENT
between
COMAIR, INC.
and
THE AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
COMAIR, INC.
as represented by
THE AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
This LETTER OF AGREEMENT is made and entered into in accordance with Title II of
the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between COMAIR, INC. (hereinafter
referred to as the "Company"), and the pilots in the service of the Company, as
represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL (hereinafter
referred to as the "Association").
WITTNESSETH:
WHEREAS the Company and the Association recognize the difficulties within the
airline industry brought on by the continuing economic climate, and have determined
that it is in the mutual interest of the parties to provide an environment which best
positions the Company for the future; and
WHEREAS the Company and the Association believe that a unified and cooperative
business relationship between management and the pilot group provides the best
opportunity for continued profitability and future success of the airline; and
WHEREAS the Company and the Association desire to reduce or eliminate
deficiencies and other practices that have generated disagreement between the
parties as well as affect the operational integrity of the airline;
NOW, THEREFORE, the Company and the Association agree as follows:
between
COMAIR, INC.
and
THE AIR LINE PILOTS
in the service of
COMAIR, INC.
as represented by
THE AIRLINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
This LETTER OF AGREEMENT is made and entered into in accordance with Title II of
the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between COMAIR, INC. (hereinafter
referred to as the "Company"), and the pilots in the service of the Company, as
represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL (hereinafter
referred to as the "Association").
WITTNESSETH:
WHEREAS the Company and the Association recognize the difficulties within the
airline industry brought on by the continuing economic climate, and have determined
that it is in the mutual interest of the parties to provide an environment which best
positions the Company for the future; and
WHEREAS the Company and the Association believe that a unified and cooperative
business relationship between management and the pilot group provides the best
opportunity for continued profitability and future success of the airline; and
WHEREAS the Company and the Association desire to reduce or eliminate
deficiencies and other practices that have generated disagreement between the
parties as well as affect the operational integrity of the airline;
NOW, THEREFORE, the Company and the Association agree as follows:
A. Agreement in Effect
Except as otherwise provided in this Letter of Agreement (hereinafter “this
LOA”), the Agreement between the Association and the Company dated June
22
LOA”), the Agreement between the Association and the Company dated June
22
nd, 2001 (hereinafter “the Agreement”) shall continue in full force and effect
according to its terms.
according to its terms.
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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2
B. Hourly Pay Rates
1. Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 3.A.1 of the Agreement, effective
the later of June 1, 2005 or the date on which the Company places into
revenue service an aircraft in addition to the one hundred sixty-four (164)
currently in the revenue service of the Company, the hourly rates of pay
scheduled to take effect on June 22, 2005 will not become effective except
as provided for in paragraphs H.3.a. or H.3.b. below.
2. If the parties have not reached agreement on a successor collective
bargaining agreement by January 1, 2008, the Rates of Pay noted in
Section 3.A.1., as modified by this Letter of Agreement, will be increased by
two percent (2%). If paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.b. remedies, described below,
have been invoked, then this paragraph does not go into effect.
3. Pilots will be compenated at the seventy (70) seat pay rates currently
specified in Section 3.A of the Agreement (as modified by this LOA) for any
CL-700 or EMB-170 aircraft acquired by Company during the term of this
LOA so long as such aircraft are operated with a maximum of 70 seats.
the later of June 1, 2005 or the date on which the Company places into
revenue service an aircraft in addition to the one hundred sixty-four (164)
currently in the revenue service of the Company, the hourly rates of pay
scheduled to take effect on June 22, 2005 will not become effective except
as provided for in paragraphs H.3.a. or H.3.b. below.
2. If the parties have not reached agreement on a successor collective
bargaining agreement by January 1, 2008, the Rates of Pay noted in
Section 3.A.1., as modified by this Letter of Agreement, will be increased by
two percent (2%). If paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.b. remedies, described below,
have been invoked, then this paragraph does not go into effect.
3. Pilots will be compenated at the seventy (70) seat pay rates currently
specified in Section 3.A of the Agreement (as modified by this LOA) for any
CL-700 or EMB-170 aircraft acquired by Company during the term of this
LOA so long as such aircraft are operated with a maximum of 70 seats.
C. Longevity Freeze
1. Notwithstanding the provisions of Section 3.A.1 of the Agreement, effective
the later of June 1, 2005, or the date on which the Company places into
revenue service an aircraft in addition to the one hundred sixty-four (164)
currently in the revenue service of the Company, pilots will not advance in
longevity steps as it pertains to the hourly rates of pay contained in Section
3.A. of the Agreement. Such longevity freeze will continue in effect for two
(2) years from the date such freeze begins. Such longevity freeze shall
terminate on the later of the 2
the later of June 1, 2005, or the date on which the Company places into
revenue service an aircraft in addition to the one hundred sixty-four (164)
currently in the revenue service of the Company, pilots will not advance in
longevity steps as it pertains to the hourly rates of pay contained in Section
3.A. of the Agreement. Such longevity freeze will continue in effect for two
(2) years from the date such freeze begins. Such longevity freeze shall
terminate on the later of the 2
nd anniversary date of placing the 165th aircraft
into revenue service or June 1, 2007, unless terminated earlier pursuant to
the provisions of Section H.3., below.
Example: A pilot whose longevity step increase occurs prior to the freeze
date at the year five (5) longevity step in the pay table ($68.13)
will maintain such hourly rate of pay until the freeze expires,
unless adjusted by means of one of the requirements noted in
paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.c. below. Effective Jun 1, 2007, or two
years from the actual date the longevity freeze began or as a
result of a requirement stated in paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.c. below,
the pilot will move to the next longevity step (year 6 - $70.23) at
the time of his next scheduled longevity increase.
into revenue service or June 1, 2007, unless terminated earlier pursuant to
the provisions of Section H.3., below.
Example: A pilot whose longevity step increase occurs prior to the freeze
date at the year five (5) longevity step in the pay table ($68.13)
will maintain such hourly rate of pay until the freeze expires,
unless adjusted by means of one of the requirements noted in
paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.c. below. Effective Jun 1, 2007, or two
years from the actual date the longevity freeze began or as a
result of a requirement stated in paragraph H.3.a. or H.3.c. below,
the pilot will move to the next longevity step (year 6 - $70.23) at
the time of his next scheduled longevity increase.
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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CA CRJ 50 / 44 / 40
2. A pilot who is currently or will become a new hire pilot during the term of this
LOA will advance in accordance with his normal longevity increase to year
two (2) on the June 22, 2004 pay table for the purposes of determing his
hourly rate of pay. Such pilot will remain at year two (2) on the longevity step
until the termination of the longevity freeze as provided in this LOA.
Example: New hire pilot is paid the hourly rate of pay of $23.40 until his first
anniversary date, at which time the pilot will advance to year two
on the applicable pay scale ($37.18). Such pilot will then remain at
that hourly rate of pay until the termination of the longevity freeze.
F/O CRJ 50 / 44 / 40
YOS 6/22/04 6/22/05 6/22/06 6/22/07
1 $23.40 $23.40 $23.40 $23.40
2 $37.18 $37.18 $37.18 $37.18
3 $38.33 $38.33 $38.33 $38.33
3. Any other item including, but not limited to, vacation accruals, sick accruals,
retirement contribution, pass benefits or any other accrued item for which
longevity is used to determine eligibility and/or benefit level will not be
affected by the longevity freeze. The longevity freeze is only for the purpose
of maintaining a specific rate of hourly pay based on the pilot’s position
within the 6/22/2004 pay table.
2. A pilot who is currently or will become a new hire pilot during the term of this
LOA will advance in accordance with his normal longevity increase to year
two (2) on the June 22, 2004 pay table for the purposes of determing his
hourly rate of pay. Such pilot will remain at year two (2) on the longevity step
until the termination of the longevity freeze as provided in this LOA.
Example: New hire pilot is paid the hourly rate of pay of $23.40 until his first
anniversary date, at which time the pilot will advance to year two
on the applicable pay scale ($37.18). Such pilot will then remain at
that hourly rate of pay until the termination of the longevity freeze.
F/O CRJ 50 / 44 / 40
YOS 6/22/04 6/22/05 6/22/06 6/22/07
1 $23.40 $23.40 $23.40 $23.40
2 $37.18 $37.18 $37.18 $37.18
3 $38.33 $38.33 $38.33 $38.33
3. Any other item including, but not limited to, vacation accruals, sick accruals,
retirement contribution, pass benefits or any other accrued item for which
longevity is used to determine eligibility and/or benefit level will not be
affected by the longevity freeze. The longevity freeze is only for the purpose
of maintaining a specific rate of hourly pay based on the pilot’s position
within the 6/22/2004 pay table.
D. Management Compensation Reduction
Comair Officers agree to a ten (10) percent pay cut effective March 1, 2005.
Such ten (10) percent pay cut will remain in effect for the duration of the pilots’
longevity freeze provided in paragraph C., above.
Such ten (10) percent pay cut will remain in effect for the duration of the pilots’
longevity freeze provided in paragraph C., above.
E. Longevity Restoration
Part 2
5 $68.13 $68.13 $68.13 $68.13
6 $70.23 $70.23 $70.23 $70.23
7 $72.40 $72.40 $72.40 $72.40
8 $74.65 $74.65 $74.65 $74.65
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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Agreement will be reinstated and become immediately effective.
Longevity step increases will also be resumed at the same time.
Additionally, any pilot with a longevity date between June 1, 2006 and
December 31, 2006 shall receive a longevity increase on December 31,
2006. In subsequent years, such pilot will receive longevity increases, if
due, on his longevity date. All other pilots will receive their next longevity
increases, if due, on their longevity dates between January 1, 2007 and
May 31, 2007.
b. Should the Company fail to take delivery of at least the twenty-six (26)
aircraft specified in paragraph 2.b. above, by December 31, 2007, then
the June 22, 2005 hourly rates of pay as provided for in Section 3.A. of
the 2001 Agreement will be reinstated and become immediately
effective. In addition, one longevity step skipped as a result of the
longevity freeze provided for in Section C., will be immediately restored.
c. Should the Company take delivery of twenty-six (26) aircraft as specified
in paragraph 2.b., by December 31, 2007 but fail to take delivery of all 35
aircraft by March 31, 2008 as provided in paragraph_2.c., then one
longevity step skipped as a result of the longevity freeze provided for in
Section C., will be immediately restored.
d. Additionally, the number of aircraft delivered and in revenue service at
the Company as of the date of the failure to deliver the aircraft specified
in paragraphs 3.a., b. and c., above, shall be maintained as the minimum
number of aircraft required to be in passenger revenue service by the
Company until December 31, 2008.
4. Except as otherwise noted in this LOA, the Company aircraft fleet will total
no less than 199 by March 31, 2008. Of this total, no less than fifty-two (52)
aircraft will be certificated for no less than seventy (70) passenger seats and
147 aircraft will be certificated for no less than fifty (50) passenger seats.
Except as otherwise noted in this Letter of Agreement, the fleet will remain
at no less than 199 aircraft until December 31, 2008.
5. Notwithstanding the above provisions, from March 31, 2008 through
December 31, 2008, the aircraft fleet may be reduced to no less than 193
aircraft for an accumulated total period of no more than six (6) months.
During this time period, at least fifty-two (52) of the total fleet must be
certificated for seventy (70) passenger seats. For the duration of such
temporary fleet reduction, if any, no pilot shall be downgraded in status.
YOS 2004 2005 2006 2007
5 $68.13 $68.13 $68.13 $68.13
6 $70.23 $70.23 $70.23 $70.23
7 $72.40 $72.40 $72.40 $72.40
8 $74.65 $74.65 $74.65 $74.65
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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Effective June 1, 2007 each pilot with an adjusted date of longevity as a result
of the 2001 work stoppage will have 89 days of longevity restored (“restored
longevity date”). If a pilot’s restored longevity date falls between the dates of
March 4, 2007 and June 1, 2007 inclusive such pilot will receive his longevity
increase, if due, June 1, 2007. In subsequent years, such pilot will receive
longevity increases, if due, on his restored longevity date (that is, a date
between March 4 and June 1). All other pilots who have had their longevity
dates restored will receive their next longevity increases, if due, on their
restored longevity dates between June 1, 2007 and May 31, 2008.
Examples:
1. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of July 15th. After restoring the 89
days of longevity, the restored longevity date is April 17th. This pilot will
receive a longevity increase, if due, on June 1, 2007. In 2008 and each
successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due, on
April 17th.
2. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of October 15th. After restoring the
89 days of longevity, the restored longevity date is July 18th. In 2007 and
each successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due,
on July 18th.
3. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of May 15th. After restoring the 89
days of longevity, the restored longevity date is February 15th. This pilot
will not receive a longevity increase June 1, 2007. In 2008 and each
successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due, on
February 15th.
F. Seat Freeze
For the duration of this LOA and with regard to the thirty-five (35) aircraft
referenced in paragraph H, below, section 23.O.7.of the Agreement will be
amended as follows:
Pilots assigned to training with the earliest start date for an award to new
equipment that requires a different type rating will incur a thirty (30) month
freeze. A pilot assigned to training thereafter will incur a freeze with an
expiration date equal to the expiration date of the freeze incurred by the class
with the earliest start date or twelve (12) months from his freeze start date,
whichever is later.
G. Contract extension
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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Section 30.E of the Agreement will be amended as follows:
This Agreement will become effective on June 22, 2001 and will remain in full
force and effect until May 21, 2007. It will continue in force without change
unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6,
Title 1, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party, at least one
hundred and fifty (150) days prior to May 21, 2007, or any May 21, thereafter.
Conferences between the parties will commence at least one hundred and
twenty (120) days prior to May 21, 2007, or any May 21, thereafter.
H. Guaranteed Aircraft Deliveries/ Minimum Fleet Guarantee
1. The Company shall purchase, lease or otherwise take delivery and place in
revenue service thirty-five (35) aircraft in addition to the 164 currently in
revenue service on the date of this LOA. No less than twenty- five (25) such
aircraft shall be FAA certificated at no less than seventy (70) passenger
seats.
It is the intent of the Company to acquire at least some additional aircraft of
a fleet type not currently operating at the company in order to take
advantage of advancements in technology, efficiency and passenger
comfort provided adequate financing and other business needs are met.
2. The Company shall take delivery and place in revenue service the additional
thirty-five (35) aircraft as follows:
a. No less than eighteen (18) aircraft by December 31, 2006, including no
less than eight (8) aircraft certificated for not less than seventy (70)
passenger seats. The fleet shall consist of and be maintained at no less
than 182 aircraft in revenue service by December 31, 2006.
b. No less than twenty-six (26) aircraft by December 31, 2007, including no
less than sixteen (16) aircraft certificated for not less than seventy (70)
passenger seats. The fleet shall consist of and be maintained at no less
than 190 aircraft in revenue service by December 31, 2007.
c. All thirty-five (35) aircraft no later than March 31, 2008.
3. In the event the Company fails to take delivery of the aircraft and/or maintain
the fleet size as provided above, in addition to all other legal remedies
available to ALPA, including but not limited to the expedited arbitration
provisions provided in paragraph M.3., below, the following remedies shall,
at the sole option of the Association, apply:
a. Should the Company fail to take delivery of at least eighteen (18) aircraft
specified in paragraph 2.a. above, by December 31, 2006, then the June
22, 2005 hourly rates of pay as provided for in Section 3.A. of the 2001
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of the 2001 work stoppage will have 89 days of longevity restored (“restored
longevity date”). If a pilot’s restored longevity date falls between the dates of
March 4, 2007 and June 1, 2007 inclusive such pilot will receive his longevity
increase, if due, June 1, 2007. In subsequent years, such pilot will receive
longevity increases, if due, on his restored longevity date (that is, a date
between March 4 and June 1). All other pilots who have had their longevity
dates restored will receive their next longevity increases, if due, on their
restored longevity dates between June 1, 2007 and May 31, 2008.
Examples:
1. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of July 15th. After restoring the 89
days of longevity, the restored longevity date is April 17th. This pilot will
receive a longevity increase, if due, on June 1, 2007. In 2008 and each
successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due, on
April 17th.
2. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of October 15th. After restoring the
89 days of longevity, the restored longevity date is July 18th. In 2007 and
each successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due,
on July 18th.
3. Pilot has an adjusted date of longevity of May 15th. After restoring the 89
days of longevity, the restored longevity date is February 15th. This pilot
will not receive a longevity increase June 1, 2007. In 2008 and each
successive year, this pilot will receive a longevity increase, if due, on
February 15th.
F. Seat Freeze
For the duration of this LOA and with regard to the thirty-five (35) aircraft
referenced in paragraph H, below, section 23.O.7.of the Agreement will be
amended as follows:
Pilots assigned to training with the earliest start date for an award to new
equipment that requires a different type rating will incur a thirty (30) month
freeze. A pilot assigned to training thereafter will incur a freeze with an
expiration date equal to the expiration date of the freeze incurred by the class
with the earliest start date or twelve (12) months from his freeze start date,
whichever is later.
G. Contract extension
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
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Section 30.E of the Agreement will be amended as follows:
This Agreement will become effective on June 22, 2001 and will remain in full
force and effect until May 21, 2007. It will continue in force without change
unless written notice of intended change is served in accordance with Section 6,
Title 1, of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by either party, at least one
hundred and fifty (150) days prior to May 21, 2007, or any May 21, thereafter.
Conferences between the parties will commence at least one hundred and
twenty (120) days prior to May 21, 2007, or any May 21, thereafter.
H. Guaranteed Aircraft Deliveries/ Minimum Fleet Guarantee
1. The Company shall purchase, lease or otherwise take delivery and place in
revenue service thirty-five (35) aircraft in addition to the 164 currently in
revenue service on the date of this LOA. No less than twenty- five (25) such
aircraft shall be FAA certificated at no less than seventy (70) passenger
seats.
It is the intent of the Company to acquire at least some additional aircraft of
a fleet type not currently operating at the company in order to take
advantage of advancements in technology, efficiency and passenger
comfort provided adequate financing and other business needs are met.
2. The Company shall take delivery and place in revenue service the additional
thirty-five (35) aircraft as follows:
a. No less than eighteen (18) aircraft by December 31, 2006, including no
less than eight (8) aircraft certificated for not less than seventy (70)
passenger seats. The fleet shall consist of and be maintained at no less
than 182 aircraft in revenue service by December 31, 2006.
b. No less than twenty-six (26) aircraft by December 31, 2007, including no
less than sixteen (16) aircraft certificated for not less than seventy (70)
passenger seats. The fleet shall consist of and be maintained at no less
than 190 aircraft in revenue service by December 31, 2007.
c. All thirty-five (35) aircraft no later than March 31, 2008.
3. In the event the Company fails to take delivery of the aircraft and/or maintain
the fleet size as provided above, in addition to all other legal remedies
available to ALPA, including but not limited to the expedited arbitration
provisions provided in paragraph M.3., below, the following remedies shall,
at the sole option of the Association, apply:
a. Should the Company fail to take delivery of at least eighteen (18) aircraft
specified in paragraph 2.a. above, by December 31, 2006, then the June
22, 2005 hourly rates of pay as provided for in Section 3.A. of the 2001
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Agreement will be reinstated and become immediately effective.
Longevity step increases will also be resumed at the same time.
Additionally, any pilot with a longevity date between June 1, 2006 and
December 31, 2006 shall receive a longevity increase on December 31,
2006. In subsequent years, such pilot will receive longevity increases, if
due, on his longevity date. All other pilots will receive their next longevity
increases, if due, on their longevity dates between January 1, 2007 and
May 31, 2007.
b. Should the Company fail to take delivery of at least the twenty-six (26)
aircraft specified in paragraph 2.b. above, by December 31, 2007, then
the June 22, 2005 hourly rates of pay as provided for in Section 3.A. of
the 2001 Agreement will be reinstated and become immediately
effective. In addition, one longevity step skipped as a result of the
longevity freeze provided for in Section C., will be immediately restored.
c. Should the Company take delivery of twenty-six (26) aircraft as specified
in paragraph 2.b., by December 31, 2007 but fail to take delivery of all 35
aircraft by March 31, 2008 as provided in paragraph_2.c., then one
longevity step skipped as a result of the longevity freeze provided for in
Section C., will be immediately restored.
d. Additionally, the number of aircraft delivered and in revenue service at
the Company as of the date of the failure to deliver the aircraft specified
in paragraphs 3.a., b. and c., above, shall be maintained as the minimum
number of aircraft required to be in passenger revenue service by the
Company until December 31, 2008.
4. Except as otherwise noted in this LOA, the Company aircraft fleet will total
no less than 199 by March 31, 2008. Of this total, no less than fifty-two (52)
aircraft will be certificated for no less than seventy (70) passenger seats and
147 aircraft will be certificated for no less than fifty (50) passenger seats.
Except as otherwise noted in this Letter of Agreement, the fleet will remain
at no less than 199 aircraft until December 31, 2008.
5. Notwithstanding the above provisions, from March 31, 2008 through
December 31, 2008, the aircraft fleet may be reduced to no less than 193
aircraft for an accumulated total period of no more than six (6) months.
During this time period, at least fifty-two (52) of the total fleet must be
certificated for seventy (70) passenger seats. For the duration of such
temporary fleet reduction, if any, no pilot shall be downgraded in status.
part 3
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity
securities or assets of the Company (a "successorship transaction")
to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to
employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the
provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the
Agreement. The Company agrees to give written notice of the terms
of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any
successorship transaction.
2. In the event of a successorship transaction in which the successor
is an air carrier or any person or entity that owns or controls or is
owned or controlled by an air carrier which results in an operational
merger, the Company will require the successor to agree to provide
the Company's pilots with a fair and equitable seniority integration as
provided in Sections 3 and 13 of the Labor Protective Provisions
specified by the CAB in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger, except that
such seniority integration will be governed by the Association’s
Merger Policy if both pilot groups are represented by the Association.
M. Duration and Dispute Resolution
1. This Letter of Agreement will become effective upon its execution and will
remain in full force and effect for the duration of the 2001 Agreement, as
modified by this Letter of Agreement, including any status quo period, and
shall remain and continue in full force and effect for the duration of any
successor Agreement, or until January 31, 2009 (whichever comes first) to
the extent that any of the terms herein have not been met and continue to
be in effect.
2. In the event that no additional aircraft are delivered by June 21, 2005, as
described in this LOA, this LOA is null and void.
3. Should any dispute arise in connection with this Letter of Agreement, the
parties agree to submit the dispute to expedited arbitration in accordance
with Section 1.H. of the 2001 Agreement.
4. The parties expressly agree that the 2% pay rate increase in January 2008,
the reinstatement of longevity steps, the longevity restorationand the
reinstatement of the June, 2005 4.5% pay rate increase, if any, shall be
effective according to paragraphs B.2., C., E. and H.3.of this LOA
notwithstanding the status quo provisions of the Section 6 of Railway Labor
Act or Section 30 of the Agreement.
I. Performance Pay Program
7
Pilots will participate in the Comair Performance Pay Program effective June 1,
2005.
Should the Company implement any other profit-sharing plan for any craft or
class of employee groups including non-contract and management employees,
the pilot craft or class will be included in the plan on the same terms and
conditions. This provision will not apply to plans offered to Company Officers or
Directors.
J. Company Paid Union Leave and Travel
If the Company agrees to provide enhanced union business provisions in any
other Comair collective bargaining agreement, then the same offer will be made
to the Association. This is limited to flight pay loss, positive-space travel for
Union Officers, and positive-space travel for negotiation Committee members
on Company business.
K. Contractual Issues
1. The parties shall submit the following grievances to grievance mediation for
resolution on an expedited basis to begin no later than sixty (60) days after
the effective date of this LOA, subject only to the availability of the selected
mediator. Additionally, the parties will meet and agree to group similar
subject matter together in order to expedite the mediation process.
o 04-06-GG – Reserve Days Off
o 04-10-GG – Inadequate Staffing
o 04-11-GG – Nigam (Re-assignments, JU)
o 04-12-GG – Lachner (Sick Bank / Displacement pay)
o 04-13-GG – Lemay (Reserve Displacement Pay)
o 04-14-GG – Serber (Lineholder JU Assignments)
o 04-15-GG – Camvongcau – Arenzana (Withdrawal from Vacancy)
o 04-16-GG – Reassignment Pay
2. Section 3 of the Agreement will be amended to add the following paragraph L:
L. Any pilot (including a reserve lineholder and a CD lineholder) who
adds an assignment on a day off, or who is assigned by the Company
on a day off, will be credited and paid above guarantee for the
assignment in accordance with the provisions contained in Section 3
of the Agreement. Any premium pay associated with the assignment
will also be credited and paid to the pilot according to the provisions
contained in Section 3.K. of the Agreement.
Examples:
1. A regular lineholder is awarded or assigned a line of flying
with a scheduled credit value of eighty-two (82) hours. The
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
8
pilot adds an additional assignment on a day off with a
scheduled credit value of five (5) hours. With no voluntary
reductions in credit to his line, the pilot will receive not less
than eighty-seven (87) hours of credit subject to the other pay
and credit provisions in this Section.
2. A reserve lineholder is awarded or assigned a regular
reserve line with a minimum scheduled credit guarantee of
seventy-five(75) hours (ref. Section 4.A.). The pilot adds an
additional assignment on a day off with a scheduled credit
value of five (5) hours. With no voluntary reductions in credit to
his line, the pilot will receive not less than eighty (80)
hours of credit subject to the other pay and credit
provisions in this Section.
3. A CD lineholder is awarded or assigned a CD line with a
minimum scheduled credit guarantee of seventy-six (76) hours
(ref.Section 4.B.). The pilot adds an additional assignment on a
day off with a scheduled credit value of four (4) hours. With no
voluntary reductions in credit to his line, the pilot will receive not
less than eighty (80) hours of credit subject to the other pay and
credit provisions in this Section.
3. The current Company Policy and Procedures Manual states that a pilot is
expected to report at an outstation reporting point forty-five (45) minutes
prior to departure. This language will be changed to provide a flexible checkin
window to accommodate transportation schedules set by the hotel, e.g.,
van departures on the hour and half-hour.
a. A pilot will report to the designated reporting point not less than forty-five
(45) minutes prior to departure at an outstation. This forty-five (45)
minute requirement may be reduced to not less than thirty (30) minutes
prior to departure to accommodate hotel transportation schedules
whereby shuttles depart at fixed times. Under normal circumstances a
hotel is selected to insure that travel time is not greater than 20 minutes.
Projected travel time information will be communicated to the crew
members via the “blue” sheets published by the Company.
b. In certain cities, the provisions stated in paragraph a., above may not be
appropriate. In such cases, a designated departure time from the hotel
will be determined during the joint ALPA/Company hotel site inspection
by the joint committee performing the inspection by using average travel
9
times from the hotel to the airport. Their agreed determination of a
departure time from the hotel will then be communicated via the “blue”
sheets published by the Company.
c. Any overnight that occurs at an International city will include an additional
fifteen (15) minutes of scheduled duty time to accommodate issues
related to clearing customs and security. Such additional duty time will be
included in all published pairings and will be included in any applicable
pay calculation.
4. The parties agree to create and convene on an expedited basis a committee
to develop improved pairing construction in accordance with procedures of
Section 24.A. of the 2001 Agreement. The Committee will be tasked to make
recommendations regarding overall pairing quality. The committee may
examine hotel costs, Comair block hour limitations, deadhead costs and any
other relevant issues related to pairing construction. The Company will
implement the committee’s recommendations to the maximum extent
feasible.
L. Miscellaneous
1. The Company agrees to submit, at ALPA’s request, any pending grievance
involving termination of a pilot to expedited arbitration.
2. Should Delta sell all or part of the Company and should Comair become a
publicly-traded entity as a result of such sale, if any other craft or class of
employees (including non-contract and management employees) is given
grants or options, such grants or options will be offered to the pilot craft or
class on the same terms and conditions. This provision will not apply to
grants or options offered to Company Officers or Directors.
3. Section 1.B. of the Agreement is amended to read as follows:
B. Successorship
1. The Company will require any successor resulting from the transfer
Pilots will participate in the Comair Performance Pay Program effective June 1,
2005.
Should the Company implement any other profit-sharing plan for any craft or
class of employee groups including non-contract and management employees,
the pilot craft or class will be included in the plan on the same terms and
conditions. This provision will not apply to plans offered to Company Officers or
Directors.
J. Company Paid Union Leave and Travel
If the Company agrees to provide enhanced union business provisions in any
other Comair collective bargaining agreement, then the same offer will be made
to the Association. This is limited to flight pay loss, positive-space travel for
Union Officers, and positive-space travel for negotiation Committee members
on Company business.
K. Contractual Issues
1. The parties shall submit the following grievances to grievance mediation for
resolution on an expedited basis to begin no later than sixty (60) days after
the effective date of this LOA, subject only to the availability of the selected
mediator. Additionally, the parties will meet and agree to group similar
subject matter together in order to expedite the mediation process.
o 04-06-GG – Reserve Days Off
o 04-10-GG – Inadequate Staffing
o 04-11-GG – Nigam (Re-assignments, JU)
o 04-12-GG – Lachner (Sick Bank / Displacement pay)
o 04-13-GG – Lemay (Reserve Displacement Pay)
o 04-14-GG – Serber (Lineholder JU Assignments)
o 04-15-GG – Camvongcau – Arenzana (Withdrawal from Vacancy)
o 04-16-GG – Reassignment Pay
2. Section 3 of the Agreement will be amended to add the following paragraph L:
L. Any pilot (including a reserve lineholder and a CD lineholder) who
adds an assignment on a day off, or who is assigned by the Company
on a day off, will be credited and paid above guarantee for the
assignment in accordance with the provisions contained in Section 3
of the Agreement. Any premium pay associated with the assignment
will also be credited and paid to the pilot according to the provisions
contained in Section 3.K. of the Agreement.
Examples:
1. A regular lineholder is awarded or assigned a line of flying
with a scheduled credit value of eighty-two (82) hours. The
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
8
pilot adds an additional assignment on a day off with a
scheduled credit value of five (5) hours. With no voluntary
reductions in credit to his line, the pilot will receive not less
than eighty-seven (87) hours of credit subject to the other pay
and credit provisions in this Section.
2. A reserve lineholder is awarded or assigned a regular
reserve line with a minimum scheduled credit guarantee of
seventy-five(75) hours (ref. Section 4.A.). The pilot adds an
additional assignment on a day off with a scheduled credit
value of five (5) hours. With no voluntary reductions in credit to
his line, the pilot will receive not less than eighty (80)
hours of credit subject to the other pay and credit
provisions in this Section.
3. A CD lineholder is awarded or assigned a CD line with a
minimum scheduled credit guarantee of seventy-six (76) hours
(ref.Section 4.B.). The pilot adds an additional assignment on a
day off with a scheduled credit value of four (4) hours. With no
voluntary reductions in credit to his line, the pilot will receive not
less than eighty (80) hours of credit subject to the other pay and
credit provisions in this Section.
3. The current Company Policy and Procedures Manual states that a pilot is
expected to report at an outstation reporting point forty-five (45) minutes
prior to departure. This language will be changed to provide a flexible checkin
window to accommodate transportation schedules set by the hotel, e.g.,
van departures on the hour and half-hour.
a. A pilot will report to the designated reporting point not less than forty-five
(45) minutes prior to departure at an outstation. This forty-five (45)
minute requirement may be reduced to not less than thirty (30) minutes
prior to departure to accommodate hotel transportation schedules
whereby shuttles depart at fixed times. Under normal circumstances a
hotel is selected to insure that travel time is not greater than 20 minutes.
Projected travel time information will be communicated to the crew
members via the “blue” sheets published by the Company.
b. In certain cities, the provisions stated in paragraph a., above may not be
appropriate. In such cases, a designated departure time from the hotel
will be determined during the joint ALPA/Company hotel site inspection
by the joint committee performing the inspection by using average travel
9
times from the hotel to the airport. Their agreed determination of a
departure time from the hotel will then be communicated via the “blue”
sheets published by the Company.
c. Any overnight that occurs at an International city will include an additional
fifteen (15) minutes of scheduled duty time to accommodate issues
related to clearing customs and security. Such additional duty time will be
included in all published pairings and will be included in any applicable
pay calculation.
4. The parties agree to create and convene on an expedited basis a committee
to develop improved pairing construction in accordance with procedures of
Section 24.A. of the 2001 Agreement. The Committee will be tasked to make
recommendations regarding overall pairing quality. The committee may
examine hotel costs, Comair block hour limitations, deadhead costs and any
other relevant issues related to pairing construction. The Company will
implement the committee’s recommendations to the maximum extent
feasible.
L. Miscellaneous
1. The Company agrees to submit, at ALPA’s request, any pending grievance
involving termination of a pilot to expedited arbitration.
2. Should Delta sell all or part of the Company and should Comair become a
publicly-traded entity as a result of such sale, if any other craft or class of
employees (including non-contract and management employees) is given
grants or options, such grants or options will be offered to the pilot craft or
class on the same terms and conditions. This provision will not apply to
grants or options offered to Company Officers or Directors.
3. Section 1.B. of the Agreement is amended to read as follows:
B. Successorship
1. The Company will require any successor resulting from the transfer
Letter of Agreement 2005 between ALPA and Comair Airlines, Inc.
10of the ownership or control of all or substantially all of the equity
securities or assets of the Company (a "successorship transaction")
to recognize the Association as the representative of the pilots, to
employ the pilots on the seniority list in accordance with the
provisions of this Agreement and to assume and be bound by the
Agreement. The Company agrees to give written notice of the terms
of this Agreement to a proposed successor before concluding any
successorship transaction.
2. In the event of a successorship transaction in which the successor
is an air carrier or any person or entity that owns or controls or is
owned or controlled by an air carrier which results in an operational
merger, the Company will require the successor to agree to provide
the Company's pilots with a fair and equitable seniority integration as
provided in Sections 3 and 13 of the Labor Protective Provisions
specified by the CAB in the Allegheny-Mohawk merger, except that
such seniority integration will be governed by the Association’s
Merger Policy if both pilot groups are represented by the Association.
M. Duration and Dispute Resolution
1. This Letter of Agreement will become effective upon its execution and will
remain in full force and effect for the duration of the 2001 Agreement, as
modified by this Letter of Agreement, including any status quo period, and
shall remain and continue in full force and effect for the duration of any
successor Agreement, or until January 31, 2009 (whichever comes first) to
the extent that any of the terms herein have not been met and continue to
be in effect.
2. In the event that no additional aircraft are delivered by June 21, 2005, as
described in this LOA, this LOA is null and void.
3. Should any dispute arise in connection with this Letter of Agreement, the
parties agree to submit the dispute to expedited arbitration in accordance
with Section 1.H. of the 2001 Agreement.
4. The parties expressly agree that the 2% pay rate increase in January 2008,
the reinstatement of longevity steps, the longevity restorationand the
reinstatement of the June, 2005 4.5% pay rate increase, if any, shall be
effective according to paragraphs B.2., C., E. and H.3.of this LOA
notwithstanding the status quo provisions of the Section 6 of Railway Labor
Act or Section 30 of the Agreement.
Typhoon1244 said:
Better than your contract?? Gee, that's not saying much about ASA. You guys still flying for free? There is no such thing as a "good" contract at a commuter airline. You are all screwed and don't even realize it yet.
Like I said in an earlier post, PFT has been superceded by PFF (Pay For Fleet).
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