'Not as talented'...

[WabiSabi]

My trombone professor in college had a saying that he often repeated; Talent and 75 cents will buy you a cup of coffee. (that was in 1986)

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Kaman-

Hows it going...? Regards.....

 

[sunlitpath]

Every pilot group has extensive crash histories. The military, the majors, the regionals, corporate, and general aviation all crash airplanes. No group is immune from pilot error, mechanical failure, or unprofessional conduct.

I think the pay at regional airlines should doubled, so we can act like those real professional pilots at the majors. Then there will be no more crashes at the regional airlines, ever again, and then we will never have casual conversation below 10,000 feet. Just like the majors, gosh they are so perfect and wonderful!

 

[Kaman]

Hey Rez, I'm doing pretty good...Still digesting the hearing. I've listened to both of the morning sessions in their entirety. Hopefully, we can all make something good happen out of something really tragic. I hope that the responsible journalists and
experts will recognize the plight of the regional airline pilot. Rather than just bash us for our lack of training, lack of experience ad nauseum...

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[Kaman]

Oh, my Dad (USAF pilot for 23 years) told me that any damned fool can fly an airplane...

 

[FO 4 Life]

by the way I am sick of the "two dead pilots left their families behind" crap. These two dead pilots killed 50 passengers due to basic lack of airmanship.

Sort of like Cali and Little Rock? Can happen to anyone anywhere.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I posted this in another thread in regards to people talking about majors wrecking airplanes and I think it very much applies here as well.

"The legacy accidents over the years have been largely resultant of culture problems. The problem now is the regionals are having to relearn how to correct the exact same culture problems through killing people- again. "

 

[hockeypilot44]

I disagree. Talent does not come with experience (flight hours). I've seen some relatively inexperienced (hours) pilots who were VERY talented pilots. And I've seen some very experienced pilots who can't fly their way out of a wet paper bag.

Experience and "talent" are mutually exclusive terms.

I am guessing you consider yourself one of the talented pilots?

 

[SLUF4]

Well, my point wasn't to be a jackass about the Delta crash-it was to point out that at some time in our careers i'm sure all of us has said a word or two not related to the flight below 10K. It's not just lowly regional pilots that do it.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

SLUF- my problem with this accident isnt the conversation.. they obviously put their game faces on when the approach phase began, and even the conversation was pertinent to the conditions that they were experiencing, albeit a bit on the wordy side.

 

[SLUF4]

I know, but the media is making a mountain out of that molehill. The problem is they weren't watching their airspeed for whatever reason.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

You guys aren't as experienced as the major airline pilots esp. the legacy pilot...Don't even try to say you are. You don't do international...you don't fly the heavies (yet)...you don't have 10's of thousands of hours. Does that make you bad pilots...no...

 

[satpak77]

Sort of like Cali and Little Rock? Can happen to anyone anywhere.

Cali was a FMS programming issue, yes they f***ed it up

Little Rock was a (or "the") MD-80 Training/Program manager pilot teamed up with a rookie who may not have been inclined to take the yoke away, who simply pushed it to get to the runway in T-Storms.

Both are not in the "didn't fly the airplane" category like these two people who left 52 families (50 + their two families) behind.

By the way stalls are covered in the Private Pilot PTS.

Didn't recognize a stall, even with a stick shaker? Anybody can take a wild guess WHY a stick shaker exists? Because some other dead guy didn't recognize a stall before it was too late.

What is next, the Pre-Stick Shaker Shaker?

Sad and offensive to the profession. 52 families

Don't ever forget it.

 

[SLUF4]

So you're saying nobody at the regionals has flown Int'l or flies heavies? I know several AF reserve guys at my airline that have/are flying KC-135's, C130's etc. I'm sure there are also a few ex-legacy furloughed guys.

 

[FO 4 Life]

While I don't intend to pick on the AA crews.

Cali would've cleared the mountain with all the FMS screw ups if they would have stowed the speedbrakes. Hit something like 300 feet below the top.

Little Rock was ORD CP and this time didn't arm the speed brakes and no one made sure they deployed. They got it down just couldn't stop it.

So didn't recognize boards were out/didn't recognize boards were not out. So I guess those don't fall under didn't fly the airplane?